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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
Also a good veigar can land his stun instantly if aimed properly, which is not at all predictable? In particular these are things that help a lot late game (of course... they help mid game too. It's not like these are particularly better late game then the mid game.) Edit: Not trying to say that veigar is the bestest late game hero of all time, but to say he is one of the worst is just hyperbole. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:09 JimmiC wrote: He has by far the best Leprachan skin, and my friend that is unique I have all minus Curling Veigar, and that's actually my least favorite of all his skins haha. Greybeard was my first love, but then they released both Baron von Veigar (giant glove!) and Superb Villain (dat hat) which were were both awesome. White Mage was legit since it actually looks quite nice in game. And then Bad Santa came along which was just amazing. I really like all the Veigar skins, Leprechaun is the one that never made a deep impression on me compared to the other ones though. WTB Balrog Chogath skin so we can have Veigar Greybeard faceoff :O | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
However like Sheep says there are just better options out there in the AP meta right now, he isn't "garbage" but simply doesn't fit quite well in how the game plays out now. Doesn't mean a team can't design a comp/strat that he would work well in, but no one is doing it. He might work well in a comp that has another aoe cc champ in it (like Sej). | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I have all minus Curling Veigar, and that's actually my least favorite of all his skins haha. Greybeard was my first love, but then they released both Baron von Veigar (giant glove!) and Superb Villain (dat hat) which were were both awesome. White Mage was legit since it actually looks quite nice in game. And then Bad Santa came along which was just amazing. I really like all the Veigar skins, Leprechaun is the one that never made a deep impression on me compared to the other ones though. WTB Balrog Chogath skin so we can have Veigar Greybeard faceoff :O You shall not pass + Show Spoiler + Go. ![[image loading]](http://teecraze.com/wp-content/uploads/notpassgo-585x404.jpg) | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:12 Mauzel wrote: I explained what his skills do because it's something unique he can do that others (specifically assassins) cannot. Also a good veigar can land his stun instantly if aimed properly, which is not at all predictable? In particular these are things that help a lot late game (of course... they help mid game too. It's not like these are particularly better late game then the mid game.) Edit: Not trying to say that veigar is the bestest late game hero of all time, but to say he is one of the worst is just hyperbole. AP/AD Mids that I would rather have over Veigar when everyone is at 6 items: Ryze Orianna Karthus Zed Jayce Khazix Swain Ziggs Anivia Twisted Fate Vladimir Lux Lissandra Kogmaw (AP) Fizz Cassiopeia Diana Galio Kassadin Kayle Comparable/situational Brand Malzahar Xerath Syndra Gragas Prefer Veigar Annie Zilean Leblanc Talon Pantheon It's rough, I might've missed some people, it's my opinion but here's the general gist. Some of it obviously depends on specific team comps, but overall, there are very few champs I'd take Veigar over from a similar position. And note that most of the ones I'd prefer Veigar over have insanely strong early/mid game utility/strength too, meaning it is easier for them to snowball an early advantage. The Prefer Veigar section is basically filled with early game assassins who will destroy Veigar lol. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: *snip* And Zilean has way more utility at all stages of the game. Dat ulti. Not to mention the bad matchups in the rest of the sections. EDIT: I suppose you could always use the Lord Mordekaiser skin instead. :o But I really don't want to play Veigar vs Morde. Ugh, so painful. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: And Zilean has way more utility at all stages of the game. Dat ulti. Can probably stick Zilean into the situational category, but yeah, Zilean amazing utility, 6 items of farm might be a tad wasted on him which is why I stuck him int he prefer Veigar category. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Can probably stick Zilean into the situational category, but yeah, Zilean amazing utility, 6 items of farm might be a tad wasted on him which is why I stuck him int he prefer Veigar category. Those 6 items can be support/CDR items. There's nothing to say that the 6 items need to be AP. :o To move this topic away from Veigar though, what's everyone's thoughts of Mikael's? I've been getting it alot of Nami, because spell spam is niceeeeee (and I run all GP10 anyways, even in yellows, so I have the golds). | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:24 Lord Tolkien wrote: Those 6 items can be support/CDR items. There's nothing to say that the 6 items need to be AP. :o In which case you might as well play Zilean support and assume he got 6 items which wouldn't put him in competition with Veigar, since we're just taking a silly little exercising of a what-if scenario anyways. Also I'm prejudiced against Zilean because back in the day there was a period when all CLG do was spam Zilean mid and be absolutely useless with him most of the time, times have probably changed. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Especially since a large number of those assassins are also very good at split-pushing lategame, which cannot also be said of Veigar. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:25 beefhamburger wrote: That random AP ratio. It seems Riot really wants Triforce to be mandatory on him. Hohoho. 7276 damage. I really do hope Zenon sees this. That is cray cray. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Also I'm prejudiced against Zilean because back in the day there was a period when all CLG do was spam Zilean mid and be absolutely useless with him most of the time, times have probably changed. CLG was probably the only team that actually figured out how to allocate farm to Zilean correctly because they just needed to farm Jiji to 1-2 major items and then have Saint steal his farm for the rest of the game. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:26 TheYango wrote: Comparing Veigar to assassins and saying he's more practical to use lategame is a bit silly, seeing as most Assassins tend to not be fantastic lategame teamfighters to begin with. Especially since a large number of those assassins are also very good at split-pushing lategame, which cannot also be said of Veigar. I actually kind of like Veigar's split pushing actually haha, that's one of his late game merits. He's still a threatening 1v1 since it comes down to a game of positioning, warding, and who gets the first move. AP sclaing means his tower pushing is decent, and W waveclear is solid. Grab a TP on him and you're good to go imo. Situational for sure since often you want ignite in lane, but again, in our silly hypothetical late game scenario Veigar's split push is well within acceptable territory imo. On July 11 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote: CLG was probably the only team that actually figured out how to allocate farm to Zilean correctly because they just needed to farm Jiji to 1-2 major items and then have Saint steal his farm for the rest of the game. Yeah, but it was painful to watch until they finally figured that out, where jiji would be running around with 300 farm and 5 items and still do nothing come late game. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I actually kind of like Veigar's split pushing actually haha, that's one of his late game merits. He's still a threatening 1v1 since it comes down to a game of positioning, warding, and who gets the first move. AP sclaing means his tower pushing is decent, and W waveclear is solid. Grab a TP on him and you're good to go imo. Situational for sure since often you want ignite in lane, but again, in our silly hypothetical late game scenario Veigar's split push is well within acceptable territory imo. There's always Lich Bane as well (though it's crowding out a defensive item). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Hohoho. 7276 damage. I really do hope Zenon sees this. That is cray cray. So that's why they removed AP yi; to make room for AP lucian. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Hohoho. 7276 damage. I really do hope Zenon sees this. That is cray cray. I guess each bullet does get lowered by armor, it might not be as bad as it seems | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 11 2013 07:31 wei2coolman wrote: So that's why they removed AP yi; to make room for AP lucian. And it's only 30s CD! | ||
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