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On July 09 2013 15:47 Hyren wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 14:19 arb wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 HazMat wrote:On July 09 2013 13:35 cLutZ wrote:On July 09 2013 13:24 caelym wrote:
yea... coastal cities are hella expensive Chicago, where I live, is no cakewalk. If you want to not have to risk bulletholes that is. Ouch. Is Chicago really as bad as they say? Detroit especially sounds like hell. I'm pretty sure Detroit is one of the most dangerous cities in America tbh. My brother lived in MexicanTown in Detroit for a while, felt pretty sketch when me and my parents visited. Lots of abandoned, broken down buildings. Graffiti everywhere. On the other hand, best Mexican food ever.
Detroit; mexican food; as a San Diegan my brain can not compute.
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portland is great if you can stand the weather. I moved up there and a big part of the reason I'm glad to be back in california is that I don't have to put up with icy rain half the year.
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On July 09 2013 15:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 15:47 Hyren wrote:On July 09 2013 14:19 arb wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 HazMat wrote:On July 09 2013 13:35 cLutZ wrote:On July 09 2013 13:24 caelym wrote:
yea... coastal cities are hella expensive Chicago, where I live, is no cakewalk. If you want to not have to risk bulletholes that is. Ouch. Is Chicago really as bad as they say? Detroit especially sounds like hell. I'm pretty sure Detroit is one of the most dangerous cities in America tbh. My brother lived in MexicanTown in Detroit for a while, felt pretty sketch when me and my parents visited. Lots of abandoned, broken down buildings. Graffiti everywhere. On the other hand, best Mexican food ever. Detroit; mexican food; as a San Diegan my brain can not compute.
As a person living in LA, I cannot comprehend why 90 miles makes such a big difference in California Burritos and Carne Asada fries.
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On July 09 2013 15:44 Eiii wrote:if you go to the food carts there's like an 80% chance you get something delicious and a 20% chance you get stabbed by a street kid and then diarrhea. would not reccomend
Were talking about Portland right? 0.o
diarrhea maybe, but stabbed?
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On July 09 2013 15:54 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 15:48 wei2coolman wrote:On July 09 2013 15:47 Hyren wrote:On July 09 2013 14:19 arb wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 HazMat wrote:On July 09 2013 13:35 cLutZ wrote:On July 09 2013 13:24 caelym wrote:
yea... coastal cities are hella expensive Chicago, where I live, is no cakewalk. If you want to not have to risk bulletholes that is. Ouch. Is Chicago really as bad as they say? Detroit especially sounds like hell. I'm pretty sure Detroit is one of the most dangerous cities in America tbh. My brother lived in MexicanTown in Detroit for a while, felt pretty sketch when me and my parents visited. Lots of abandoned, broken down buildings. Graffiti everywhere. On the other hand, best Mexican food ever. Detroit; mexican food; as a San Diegan my brain can not compute. As a person living in LA, I cannot comprehend why 90 miles makes such a big difference in California Burritos and Carne Asada fries.
90 miles = tortilla wrap.
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On July 09 2013 15:34 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 15:27 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 15:25 sob3k wrote:On July 09 2013 14:36 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 sob3k wrote:
Portland Oregon is cheap as fuck and amazing. Come over here. No. Nonono. NononoNONONO I could go on for a long time about Portland... xD Come to Seattle guyz it's cool here and everyone is chill Seattle is just like dirty Portland We fill our own gas, and we have about 50% less hipsters. :D I think most would favor not having to pump their own gas. Its a secret luxury. Especially with the Pacific NW weather. Strike 2!
No I try an avoid ever getting gasoline in Oregon if I can avoid it.
The eternal question: Is Oregon Washington's Mexico, or California's Canada? Or...
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Was wondering if either trolls or a 5v5 team on TL could try and test something out:
Essentially picking a jungler to be a ward clearer. What this jungler would do is buy an oracles and go around the whole map completely robbing the enemy team of vision. This strat has probably been tried before (I have no clue if competitively) but I don't see why it isn't used. It could increase the jungle champ pool by quite a bit I find, and with the increased amount of gold in the jungle, could allow fast/farm junglers to increase in relevance.
Essentially, I sort of imagine the jungler doing this would need some combination of: (I guess at least one of the bolded)
dueling power
high speed/mobility
escape potential
half-threatening gank potential
farm jungle quickly
survive on low farm
fight with low farm
have threat while building tank items
Someone like Yi could find actual relevance speeding around the map, taking out wards and farming up to become a sort of split-push monster later on. Trundle could take out wards and get away easily, building tank/cdr and still being useful later on.
In addition to this, if it were combined with ceding farm to the support for a quick mobi boots, the support could move around the map undetected and apply really strong pressure. I guess this sort of play (ward clearer) could open up a lot of possibilities for early-aggression oriented teams, applying tons of pressure all over the map, easily taking objectives, etc.
So, in addition to the request that someone try this, I have two questions:
Is there a reason this could not work at higher levels of play? and
What champions would be the best to attempt this sort of strategy should this strategy be possible at higher levels.
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On July 09 2013 16:16 Dark_Chill wrote:
Was wondering if either trolls or a 5v5 team on TL could try and test something out:
Essentially picking a jungler to be a ward clearer. What this jungler would do is buy an oracles and go around the whole map completely robbing the enemy team of vision. This strat has probably been tried before (I have no clue if competitively) but I don't see why it isn't used. It could increase the jungle champ pool by quite a bit I find, and with the increased amount of gold in the jungle, could allow fast/farm junglers to increase in relevance.
Essentially, I sort of imagine the jungler doing this would need some combination of: (I guess at least one of the bolded)
dueling power
high speed/mobility
escape potential
half-threatening gank potential
farm jungle quickly
survive on low farm
fight with low farm
have threat while building tank items
Someone like Yi could find actual relevance speeding around the map, taking out wards and farming up to become a sort of split-push monster later on. Trundle could take out wards and get away easily, building tank/cdr and still being useful later on.
In addition to this, if it were combined with ceding farm to the support for a quick mobi boots, the support could move around the map undetected and apply really strong pressure. I guess this sort of play (ward clearer) could open up a lot of possibilities for early-aggression oriented teams, applying tons of pressure all over the map, easily taking objectives, etc.
So, in addition to the request that someone try this, I have two questions:
Is there a reason this could not work at higher levels of play? and
What champions would be the best to attempt this sort of strategy should this strategy be possible at higher levels.
Did you not watch Season 2?
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how the fuck are you gonna stay relevant off jungle farm if you're dropping 400g on oracles every 6 minutes assumign you never die
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On July 09 2013 16:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 16:16 Dark_Chill wrote:
Was wondering if either trolls or a 5v5 team on TL could try and test something out:
Essentially picking a jungler to be a ward clearer. What this jungler would do is buy an oracles and go around the whole map completely robbing the enemy team of vision. This strat has probably been tried before (I have no clue if competitively) but I don't see why it isn't used. It could increase the jungle champ pool by quite a bit I find, and with the increased amount of gold in the jungle, could allow fast/farm junglers to increase in relevance.
Essentially, I sort of imagine the jungler doing this would need some combination of: (I guess at least one of the bolded)
dueling power
high speed/mobility
escape potential
half-threatening gank potential
farm jungle quickly
survive on low farm
fight with low farm
have threat while building tank items
Someone like Yi could find actual relevance speeding around the map, taking out wards and farming up to become a sort of split-push monster later on. Trundle could take out wards and get away easily, building tank/cdr and still being useful later on.
In addition to this, if it were combined with ceding farm to the support for a quick mobi boots, the support could move around the map undetected and apply really strong pressure. I guess this sort of play (ward clearer) could open up a lot of possibilities for early-aggression oriented teams, applying tons of pressure all over the map, easily taking objectives, etc.
So, in addition to the request that someone try this, I have two questions:
Is there a reason this could not work at higher levels of play? and
What champions would be the best to attempt this sort of strategy should this strategy be possible at higher levels. Did you not watch Season 2?
yah it's actually kind of entertaining to see someone so clearly spell out what we suffered through for so long as a novel idea.
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i was gonna say... shyvana circa season 2? udyr's heyday? yes pls bring that back
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On July 09 2013 16:16 Dark_Chill wrote:
Was wondering if either trolls or a 5v5 team on TL could try and test something out:
Essentially picking a jungler to be a ward clearer. What this jungler would do is buy an oracles and go around the whole map completely robbing the enemy team of vision. This strat has probably been tried before (I have no clue if competitively) but I don't see why it isn't used. It could increase the jungle champ pool by quite a bit I find, and with the increased amount of gold in the jungle, could allow fast/farm junglers to increase in relevance.
Essentially, I sort of imagine the jungler doing this would need some combination of: (I guess at least one of the bolded)
dueling power
high speed/mobility
escape potential
half-threatening gank potential
farm jungle quickly
survive on low farm
fight with low farm
have threat while building tank items
Someone like Yi could find actual relevance speeding around the map, taking out wards and farming up to become a sort of split-push monster later on. Trundle could take out wards and get away easily, building tank/cdr and still being useful later on.
In addition to this, if it were combined with ceding farm to the support for a quick mobi boots, the support could move around the map undetected and apply really strong pressure. I guess this sort of play (ward clearer) could open up a lot of possibilities for early-aggression oriented teams, applying tons of pressure all over the map, easily taking objectives, etc.
So, in addition to the request that someone try this, I have two questions:
Is there a reason this could not work at higher levels of play? and
What champions would be the best to attempt this sort of strategy should this strategy be possible at higher levels.
Did that with Mundo in S2. Rush tabi, HoG and oracles. Do nothing but farm jungle and clear wards and countergank.
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The team MRN dispute ended up dripping into sc2 general. With ROOT announcing their house. #ESPORTS
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On July 09 2013 16:11 JALbert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 15:34 Irave wrote:On July 09 2013 15:27 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 15:25 sob3k wrote:On July 09 2013 14:36 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 sob3k wrote:
Portland Oregon is cheap as fuck and amazing. Come over here. No. Nonono. NononoNONONO I could go on for a long time about Portland... xD Come to Seattle guyz it's cool here and everyone is chill Seattle is just like dirty Portland We fill our own gas, and we have about 50% less hipsters. :D I think most would favor not having to pump their own gas. Its a secret luxury. Especially with the Pacific NW weather. Strike 2! No I try an avoid ever getting gasoline in Oregon if I can avoid it. The eternal question: Is Oregon Washington's Mexico, or California's Canada? Or... + Show Spoiler +
QFT. There is nothing I hate more than a person who is totally unnecessary and is of ambiguous tip necessity. Plus, who even carries bills <$20 anyways?
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Yep, that's Season 2 jungle, thank god that is dead. Most boring shit ever. Get mobility boots, oracle, then run around ganking wards. They don't make for fun targets, they just sit there and feed.
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Since I don't really follow the pro scene much (I actually used to skip the tournament stuff when it came up in TL GD) so I can't say I know too much of the style since I didn't really experience it at low elo.
In season 3 though, I hear a lot of complaints about wards being way too common, so could be a solution to that. With oracles on a duration, it makes it a lot more risky to do it, so it shouldn't really be a common strategy. Because of the investment into oracles, I'd guess that it cuts down the junglers who can afford to this (either making up money through fast clearing or getting good ganks).
I'm mostly just asking if it can be done in season 3 and be put to good use in certain teamcomps.
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On July 09 2013 16:59 Dark_Chill wrote:
Since I don't really follow the pro scene much (I actually used to skip the tournament stuff when it came up in TL GD) so I can't say I know too much of the style since I didn't really experience it at low elo.
In season 3 though, I hear a lot of complaints about wards being way too common, so could be a solution to that. With oracles on a duration, it makes it a lot more risky to do it, so it shouldn't really be a common strategy. Because of the investment into oracles, I'd guess that it cuts down the junglers who can afford to this (either making up money through fast clearing or getting good ganks).
I'm mostly just asking if it can be done in season 3 and be put to good use in certain teamcomps.
It's partly that wards are easier to get, but also it's that people still haven't learned the power of pink wards.
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On July 09 2013 16:47 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 16:11 JALbert wrote:On July 09 2013 15:34 Irave wrote:On July 09 2013 15:27 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 15:25 sob3k wrote:On July 09 2013 14:36 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On July 09 2013 13:37 sob3k wrote:
Portland Oregon is cheap as fuck and amazing. Come over here. No. Nonono. NononoNONONO I could go on for a long time about Portland... xD Come to Seattle guyz it's cool here and everyone is chill Seattle is just like dirty Portland We fill our own gas, and we have about 50% less hipsters. :D I think most would favor not having to pump their own gas. Its a secret luxury. Especially with the Pacific NW weather. Strike 2! No I try an avoid ever getting gasoline in Oregon if I can avoid it. The eternal question: Is Oregon Washington's Mexico, or California's Canada? Or... + Show Spoiler + QFT. There is nothing I hate more than a person who is totally unnecessary and is of ambiguous tip necessity. Plus, who even carries bills <$20 anyways?
It's just an additional entry level job. That allows you to enjoy the comforts of your car, not having to deal with the elements. So there shouldn't be any hard feelings about not tipping them. When you go shopping do you feel inclined to tip the cashier?
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On July 09 2013 16:59 Dark_Chill wrote:
Since I don't really follow the pro scene much (I actually used to skip the tournament stuff when it came up in TL GD) so I can't say I know too much of the style since I didn't really experience it at low elo.
In season 3 though, I hear a lot of complaints about wards being way too common, so could be a solution to that. With oracles on a duration, it makes it a lot more risky to do it, so it shouldn't really be a common strategy. Because of the investment into oracles, I'd guess that it cuts down the junglers who can afford to this (either making up money through fast clearing or getting good ganks).
I'm mostly just asking if it can be done in season 3 and be put to good use in certain teamcomps.
There is a couple problems.
1: Most bot lane wards in general are wards from sightstone, which only give 10 gold.
2: Oracle was changed to a 5 minute timer.
Meaning even if you clear all normal wards, you still need to pick up 16 ward kills JUST to break even, 40 sightstone wards.
The early oracle strat worked in S2 because it had no timer. You could easily (assuming you did not die) pick up 30-40 wards worth of gold and come out ahead. Junglers also built very different in S2, focusing on powering up themselves instead of powering up teammates with things like Locket (although Aegis was somewhat common). Combine that with the very passive nature of S2 (300+ CS mid laners was commonplace), and you had a long game investment out of oracle. You cannot get that anymore.
It CAN be done, but it will set you WAYYY behind, and you often will just buy an oracle to discover they aren't warding, making your 400 gold investment worthless.
400 gold is A LOT for a jungler, 400 gold every 5 mins is absurd.
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Guys, just come to Paris. You won't want to talk of American cities ever again :p
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