EPTThat being said, if the game is largely recreational and you have no actual competitive stake about it, then it's perfectly normal to respond negatively towards verbal abuse. In fact, bitching back at someone is a pretty damn good source of catharsis if you had a long days of work.
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
That being said, if the game is largely recreational and you have no actual competitive stake about it, then it's perfectly normal to respond negatively towards verbal abuse. In fact, bitching back at someone is a pretty damn good source of catharsis if you had a long days of work. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:59 Ketara wrote: Again, you are arguing on the assumption that somebody MUST play League of Legends to have fun. That it is the most fun thing, that it is worth the amount of crap you have to put through to play it. For some people that's true. For you, that's probably true. Just because it's not true for somebody else doesn't make them an irrational person, or immature, or egotistical, or thin skinned, or any of the other things that you guys are trying to argue. It just means they didn't think LoL was fun enough to be worth being harassed while they were playing it. What isn't sensible about that? Not at all.If I want to play league I'll play league.What people tell me is irrelevant. I'm saying you shouldn't let other people affect you with just some random words. I just don't understand how is someone calling you a fag or something make you want to stop playing? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:01 nafta wrote: Not at all.If I want to play league I'll play league.What people tell me is irrelevant. I'm saying you shouldn't let other people affect you with just some random words. I just don't understand how is someone calling you a fag or something make you want to stop playing? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" That saying is pretty terrible. People aren't rational. You can't assume they are so while it might seem logical that some words on a screen from someone you will most likely never meet shouldn't have any affect on you it just isn't always the case for people. Everyone behaves different to different stimulus Verbal abuse can definitely hurt a person. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:01 nafta wrote: Not at all.If I want to play league I'll play league.What people tell me is irrelevant. I'm saying you shouldn't let other people affect you with just some random words. I just don't understand how is someone calling you a fag or something make you want to stop playing? It's not a matter of being affected. It's a matter of willingly putting yourself in a position where you know it will happen to you in the first place. Just because somebody does not want to be put in that situation does not mean it is eating them up inside when they are in that situation. Here's another example. My brother and I do not get along. At all. Guy is a complete douchebag. But I'm more than capable of putting up with him on family outings when I have to, ignoring all his crap and still having a good time. But just because I'm CAPABLE of it doesn't mean I go out trying to visit him all the time. Of course I don't. If I'm going to go visit somebody, I can visit some friend who is actually a nice person and genuinely fun to hang out with without having to expend effort to not be offended by things. Basically in that example, your argument would be that because I chose to have lunch with Neo who lives in the same city as my brother, and didn't choose to go have lunch with my brother, that I am a weak person. That doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I was under the impression that kids learn to read at like 4-5 years old? I don't remember people not being able to read in 1st grade elementary but maybe I'm wrong. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:44 Slayer91 wrote: @flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes. also, all these flamers, what are they really saying? some form of "you're bad". - Fine, everyones bad on some level, feeling liek your a bad player helps you see mistakes more easily random insults - no reason to be offended here what's left? Constantly this gets annoying but its essentially iterations of the same thing and from my experience often it takes that to break down a wall of someone set in their ways to get me to rethink a situation That's totally fine, as long as you're keeping in mind that people play League with different goals (feeling good about themselves, mastery over a skill, cooperative gameplay with others, etc.). People also read this discussion thread with goals that may not be 'individual improvement,' so blanket statements such as "you should never let trash talk affect you" will not be well received. 'Should' and other imperatives refer to ideal situations -- in one person's ideal general thread, we are all discussing LoL to try to become better players, while another person may be discussing social/ethical philosophy and different ways to apply it to the LoL community. If your original post had said something like "players whose #1 priority is to improve should never mute people," then I would have agreed with you. I don't mute even the angriest teammates because in a hundred lines of stupidity they may say one thing that is useful to me -- and in general I think that it is better to know what your teammates are thinking so that you can adjust your play, even if there is no point in responding to them. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:07 Ketara wrote: It's not a matter of being affected. It's a matter of willingly putting yourself in a position where you know it will happen to you in the first place. Just because somebody does not want to be put in that situation does not mean it is eating them up inside when they are in that situation. Here's another example. My brother and I do not get along. At all. Guy is a complete douchebag. But I'm more than capable of putting up with him on family outings when I have to, ignoring all his crap and still having a good time. But just because I'm CAPABLE of it doesn't mean I go out trying to visit him all the time. Of course I don't. If I'm going to go visit somebody, I can visit some friend who is actually a nice person and genuinely fun to hang out with without having to expend effort to not be offended by things. Basically in that example, your argument would be that because I chose to have lunch with Neo who lives in the same city as my brother, and didn't choose to go have lunch with my brother, that I am a weak person. That doesn't make any sense at all. That is not a good example at all.Those are people you know well.In league it's just random people. It's like you going to a football tournament and your opponent/teammate calling you names when they take the ball and you leaving when you wanted to play.You let some random fucktard affect you.Can't you just filter it out and do your thing? | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:12 Alaric wrote: In France you're taught reading the year you get 6 yo, I don't think a lot of kids learn by themselves before that but it happens. I could read newspapers when I was three. #comeatmebro | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:54 nafta wrote: Why is it sensible?You let a word,some text on your screen affect your fun time.Instead of playing something you enjoy you go do something else. What if I responded to every post you ever make on TL with "you're a fucking idiot" or something equally/more inflammatory and none of the mods did anything about it? Would you give up TL? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:14 Gahlo wrote: What if I responded to every post you ever make on TL with "you're a fucking idiot" or something equally/more inflammatory and none of the mods did anything about it? Would you give up TL? No.Feel free to do it. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:13 nafta wrote: That is not a good example at all.Those are people you know well.In league it's just random people. It's random people, but you can be relatively sure that if you play League for a straight 4 or 5 hours, sometime in that time somebody is going to flame you. It is probably going to happen to you to some degree almost every day if you are playing it. If you actually went multiple days in a row on LoL where nobody flamed anybody, then yes it would be a bad example, but then we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
Difference is people would do something about it. People would stand up for you despite you not standing up for yourself. However, if Neo and the others would oblige, I'm not against making a social experiment about it. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:19 Gahlo wrote: Difference is people would do something about it. People would stand up for you despite you not standing up for yourself. However, if Neo and the others would oblige, I'm not against making a social experiment about it. You can do it via PM. I AM NOT CONDONING THIS BEHAVIOR. YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS EITHER. On June 30 2013 08:14 Alaric wrote: Years later, you chose to cheer for Curse. People change. LOL TOUCHE. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I am willing to bet that if enough people did it to him for a long enough time, he would eventually ask us to stop. OR alternatively we would upset somebody else who is reading the posts but isn't nafta, and THEY would ask us to stop. Either way our point would be pretty much proven. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:19 Gahlo wrote: Difference is people would do something about it. People would stand up for you despite you not standing up for yourself. However, if Neo and the others would oblige, I'm not against making a social experiment about it. Well I guess we just have different views.To me it's just a person's opinion I don't care about.I enjoy this forum and visit it because I want to.Same reason I play league. Also people get bored when you simply ignore them. edit:If you want we can do this but wouldn't it be annoying making people jump 2 pages every time I make a post ;D. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
The thing about abuse, and the people who undergo it, is that society has developed this idea that the proper way to respond to someone who is having problems with abuse (whether it is verbal abuse on the internet, or in real life, or physical abuse, or whatever) is to tell them to "deal with it" or "just avoid it" or "ignore it" and leave it at that. Yes, I can ignore it. It doesn't really help me feel any better, though to click the ignore button on a stranger in the game generally prevents it from getting worse. But I'm probably already on tilt by the time I realize to click it. It's not that simple. People who have problems dealing with abuse need SUPPORT, and they ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need to be told to suck it up, or that they have ego problems, or just ignore it. It does not stop the culture of verbal abuse, in gaming or real life, to "ignore" them so they "get bored with it" People don't get bored with it. They continue being abusive. Possibly towards the same target, possibly towards a different one. While I personally have a competitive streak, I also have issues playing with other people who get tense. When others are tense, loud, critical, or whatever, I respond in kind almost immediately. I can't enjoy the game in that state, I can't improve in that state, I can barely even play competently, and if it was not "unacceptable" i would probably just alt-F4 when I get emotionally ... overloaded? It's fun for me to compete, but it's no longer fun to get insulted, flamed, or otherwise treated like shit. I ignore people who do, since they're strangers on the internet who, while I have 0 inherent reason to listen to, I can't really ignore them myself. I also report them after the game. Yes, I have some emotional problems when it comes to dealing with abuse. No, you don't need to be an insensitive prick about it or post categorical demeaning stereotypes on TL about people who have a hard time dealing with verbal abuse. I generally consider the TL-LoL community notably more close to me than strangers, so it obviously affects me more intensely when someone here posts in a way that I find hurtful. You're not all super close friends, but you're not soloqueue strangers either. I would love for gaming culture, or at LEAST the TL-LoL community to be aware enough to acknowledge that verbal abuse is not OK, that it should not be tolerated, and to support those who have a hard time dealing with it. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
I think it's a good match-up for me if I don't get cheesed level 1 like that, but it's kind of similar to like the vs Darius match-up where even with a lead you can mess up and die really easily. What's the thought behind your build, seemed a bit silly. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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