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On June 30 2013 07:02 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 06:53 Ketara wrote:
Lets say for example, that if anybody was ever the target of extreme hate speech, that they just stopped playing and refused to play the game with people who would speak like that. You know, like they would if it happened anywhere other than on the internet.
I guarantee you the amount of hate speech in games would drop dramatically overnight, as people would start realizing that even saying certain things will guarantee they lose the game.
Not that I am advocating doing that, but it is an example. People should not put up with being harassed in game. There is no reason to do so. All ignoring it does is perpetuate it, because people are not being reprimanded for doing it. And in that persons next game, they may actually upset somebody.
Here's a better example. I got called a slut in game a few weeks ago. I pretended to be a chick and tore the guys head off until he apologized to me. Not because I was upset, I mean I'm a dude and I don't mind very much. But because I have female friends who literally I shit you not want to play LoL and refuse to do so because they get called sluts in game. I want to play LoL with my nice female friends, not with the asshole who is going around being a sexist fuck all the time, so I'm not going to put up with him being sexist to me even if I'm not the one who is upset by his comments. Well ok how is your friends refusing to play something they enjoy because of what a random internet person said to them make any sense?
How does playing a game with somebody who is calling you hateful names the whole time make any sense?
If you were at a park playing chess with some old guy you'd never met before and he called you a (pick your racial stereotype slur here) every single time he had a turn, would you continue playing the game with him or would you get up and walk off?
99% of people would get up and walk off, if you think you'd continue playing you are in the extreme minority.
And the argument that "Oh but that's real life, this is the internet" is just complete bullshit. It's not any different.
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On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names?
Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this.
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On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc
Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol
And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition.
Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology.
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The NaDota/Reddit community is so awful it's actually caused me to play less Dota by a very very large amount. Some people think gaming communities have no affect on the game itself outside of a vacuum but they do. Case in point I went from spending 10$ a week on Dota to playing 3-4 games a month just because of how much I got shit on for wanting a ladder.
And it's not "Oh my feelings are hurt" it's a "wow these people are shitlords, I don't want to be a part of this"
I don't find League that bad though, maybe it's the insanely huge sample size but even in bronze 1 (I rarely play ranked) If I mind my own business I don't get flamed much at all even though I jungle (which usually is the go to blame lane).
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On June 30 2013 07:29 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? your 6 year old niece can read?
Yes.
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On June 30 2013 07:30 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:02 nafta wrote:On June 30 2013 06:53 Ketara wrote:
Lets say for example, that if anybody was ever the target of extreme hate speech, that they just stopped playing and refused to play the game with people who would speak like that. You know, like they would if it happened anywhere other than on the internet.
I guarantee you the amount of hate speech in games would drop dramatically overnight, as people would start realizing that even saying certain things will guarantee they lose the game.
Not that I am advocating doing that, but it is an example. People should not put up with being harassed in game. There is no reason to do so. All ignoring it does is perpetuate it, because people are not being reprimanded for doing it. And in that persons next game, they may actually upset somebody.
Here's a better example. I got called a slut in game a few weeks ago. I pretended to be a chick and tore the guys head off until he apologized to me. Not because I was upset, I mean I'm a dude and I don't mind very much. But because I have female friends who literally I shit you not want to play LoL and refuse to do so because they get called sluts in game. I want to play LoL with my nice female friends, not with the asshole who is going around being a sexist fuck all the time, so I'm not going to put up with him being sexist to me even if I'm not the one who is upset by his comments. Well ok how is your friends refusing to play something they enjoy because of what a random internet person said to them make any sense? How does playing a game with somebody who is calling you hateful names the whole time make any sense? If you were at a park playing chess with some old guy you'd never met before and he called you a (pick your racial stereotype slur here) every single time he had a turn, would you continue playing the game with him or would you get up and walk off? 99% of people would get up and walk off, if you think you'd continue playing you are in the extreme minority. And the argument that "Oh but that's real life, this is the internet" is just complete bullshit. It's not any different.
Well honestly if I played chess I'd stay and play with him just to beat him and laugh at his reaction.
If you enjoy something other people's words/opinion shouldn't affect you at all.
Also on the internet 99% of the time if you try to answer to someone flaming you it just makes them try harder.
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On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this.
I have a friend that I play tabletop wargames and D&D etc with who is a 60 year old judge with a 20 year old autistic son. Really nice guy. He played World of Tanks for a while but didn't like how pay-to-win it was, and wanted something more competitive and serious where how good of a player you were was important and how much money you spent was not. I showed him League of Legends.
He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again.
I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset?
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On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. I have a friend that I play tabletop wargames and D&D etc with who is a 60 year old judge with a 20 year old autistic son. Really nice guy. He played World of Tanks for a while but didn't like how pay-to-win it was, and wanted something more competitive and serious where how good of a player you were was important and how much money you spent was not. I showed him League of Legends. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset?
Huh. Are you replying to someone else? People are just dicks and nothing we can do will change that. Humanity would have to change to stop this. How is anything I said got to do with the person being more mature and thicker skin?
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On June 30 2013 07:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition. Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology.
The TL community in question is a drop in the ocean compared to the league community. I don't really care if my ideas change anyone or not but I do like the discussion and having an unconvential viewpoint I feel like it should be tested because most things are unconvential for a good reason.
feeling defesnive is a normal response from my very basic understanding as a social defense mechanism. However it doesnt really apply in a way that is helpful in this situation so its best to try to rationlize the situation if getting really angry is a problem.
I never expected to be a mental health condition I was just using it because Flakes used the analogy of depression which I felt was invalid
If you want to mute someone because you are playing for fun sure. If you want to improve your game other peopel getting angry has effected me a lot more than people being polite because it provokes a stronger reaction to force me to think about the situation. I didn't like the way people were saying things like "mute and tax his lane" or "/mute all and treat them like brainless bots". I prefer to treat flamers are someone just like me who's angry for a reason, if I have a good reason I'll say it quickly and then say nothing. If my view is still solid he won't change me and if I'm unsure about the situation it gives me a good incentive to talk it out with him.
On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset?
He's extrmely sensitive about the subject because of 20 years of strugglnig with a difficult conidition, however there was no rational reason that he should get upset about that. Some 14 year old made a 60 year old angry enough to quit a game, when I'm 60 I don't want anyone to have that kind of power over me.
@flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes.
also, all these flamers, what are they really saying?
some form of "you're bad". - Fine, everyones bad on some level, feeling liek your a bad player helps you see mistakes more easily
random insults - no reason to be offended here
what's left? Constantly this gets annoying but its essentially iterations of the same thing and from my experience often it takes that to break down a wall of someone set in their ways to get me to rethink a situation
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On June 30 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. I have a friend that I play tabletop wargames and D&D etc with who is a 60 year old judge with a 20 year old autistic son. Really nice guy. He played World of Tanks for a while but didn't like how pay-to-win it was, and wanted something more competitive and serious where how good of a player you were was important and how much money you spent was not. I showed him League of Legends. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? Huh. Are you replying to someone else? People are just dicks and nothing we can do will change that. Humanity would have to change to stop this. How is anything I said got to do with the person being more mature and thicker skin?
Just adding another example.
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On June 30 2013 07:45 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. I have a friend that I play tabletop wargames and D&D etc with who is a 60 year old judge with a 20 year old autistic son. Really nice guy. He played World of Tanks for a while but didn't like how pay-to-win it was, and wanted something more competitive and serious where how good of a player you were was important and how much money you spent was not. I showed him League of Legends. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? Huh. Are you replying to someone else? People are just dicks and nothing we can do will change that. Humanity would have to change to stop this. How is anything I said got to do with the person being more mature and thicker skin? Just adding another example.
Example of what? People in a crowd or in anonymity are filth? How is that contrary?
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Someone insulted me once and I got cancer.
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I get much more upset over the kind of utter bullshit that Anivia will never cease to be than over flaming.
Flaming is pretty annoying and a bigger nuisance to the game's image and accessibility to the general public than Anivia, though.
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On June 30 2013 07:44 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition. Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology. The TL community in question is a drop in the ocean compared to the league community. I don't really care if my ideas change anyone or not but I do like the discussion and having an unconvential viewpoint I feel like it should be tested because most things are unconvential for a good reason. feeling defesnive is a normal response from my very basic understanding as a social defense mechanism. However it doesnt really apply in a way that is helpful in this situation so its best to try to rationlize the situation if getting really angry is a problem. I never expected to be a mental health condition I was just using it because Flakes used the analogy of depression which I felt was invalid If you want to mute someone because you are playing for fun sure. If you want to improve your game other peopel getting angry has effected me a lot more than people being polite because it provokes a stronger reaction to force me to think about the situation. I didn't like the way people were saying things like "mute and tax his lane" or "/mute all and treat them like brainless bots". I prefer to treat flamers are someone just like me who's angry for a reason, if I have a good reason I'll say it quickly and then say nothing. If my view is still solid he won't change me and if I'm unsure about the situation it gives me a good incentive to talk it out with him. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? He's extrmely sensitive about the subject because of 20 years of strugglnig with a difficult conidition, however there was no rational reason that he should get upset about that. Some 14 year old made a 60 year old angry enough to quit a game, when I'm 60 I don't want anyone to have that kind of power over me. @flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes.
I can guarantee you what he was thinking was not "I need to not let this bother me." I can guarantee you that it didn't bother him.
What he thought was "Why the fuck would I play a game where I'm going to get called names like this when I can play a different game where I don't get called names?" which is a completely legitimate and sensible viewpoint.
Your standpoint comes from an assumption that people MUST play the game, therefor they must tolerate what happens in it. The reality is, they don't have to play at all. There's other stuff in life to do.
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On June 30 2013 07:51 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:44 Slayer91 wrote:On June 30 2013 07:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition. Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology. The TL community in question is a drop in the ocean compared to the league community. I don't really care if my ideas change anyone or not but I do like the discussion and having an unconvential viewpoint I feel like it should be tested because most things are unconvential for a good reason. feeling defesnive is a normal response from my very basic understanding as a social defense mechanism. However it doesnt really apply in a way that is helpful in this situation so its best to try to rationlize the situation if getting really angry is a problem. I never expected to be a mental health condition I was just using it because Flakes used the analogy of depression which I felt was invalid If you want to mute someone because you are playing for fun sure. If you want to improve your game other peopel getting angry has effected me a lot more than people being polite because it provokes a stronger reaction to force me to think about the situation. I didn't like the way people were saying things like "mute and tax his lane" or "/mute all and treat them like brainless bots". I prefer to treat flamers are someone just like me who's angry for a reason, if I have a good reason I'll say it quickly and then say nothing. If my view is still solid he won't change me and if I'm unsure about the situation it gives me a good incentive to talk it out with him. On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? He's extrmely sensitive about the subject because of 20 years of strugglnig with a difficult conidition, however there was no rational reason that he should get upset about that. Some 14 year old made a 60 year old angry enough to quit a game, when I'm 60 I don't want anyone to have that kind of power over me. @flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes. I can guarantee you what he was thinking was not "I need to not let this bother me." I can guarantee you that it didn't bother him. What he thought was "Why the fuck would I play a game where I'm going to get called names like this when I can play a different game where I don't get called names?" which is a completely legitimate and sensible viewpoint. Your standpoint comes from an assumption that people MUST play the game, therefor they must tolerate what happens in it. The reality is, they don't have to play at all. There's other stuff in life to do.
Because maybe a game that can cause people to be so negatively passionate can also cause people to be positively passionate
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On June 30 2013 07:51 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:44 Slayer91 wrote:On June 30 2013 07:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition. Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology. The TL community in question is a drop in the ocean compared to the league community. I don't really care if my ideas change anyone or not but I do like the discussion and having an unconvential viewpoint I feel like it should be tested because most things are unconvential for a good reason. feeling defesnive is a normal response from my very basic understanding as a social defense mechanism. However it doesnt really apply in a way that is helpful in this situation so its best to try to rationlize the situation if getting really angry is a problem. I never expected to be a mental health condition I was just using it because Flakes used the analogy of depression which I felt was invalid If you want to mute someone because you are playing for fun sure. If you want to improve your game other peopel getting angry has effected me a lot more than people being polite because it provokes a stronger reaction to force me to think about the situation. I didn't like the way people were saying things like "mute and tax his lane" or "/mute all and treat them like brainless bots". I prefer to treat flamers are someone just like me who's angry for a reason, if I have a good reason I'll say it quickly and then say nothing. If my view is still solid he won't change me and if I'm unsure about the situation it gives me a good incentive to talk it out with him. On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? He's extrmely sensitive about the subject because of 20 years of strugglnig with a difficult conidition, however there was no rational reason that he should get upset about that. Some 14 year old made a 60 year old angry enough to quit a game, when I'm 60 I don't want anyone to have that kind of power over me. @flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes. I can guarantee you what he was thinking was not "I need to not let this bother me." I can guarantee you that it didn't bother him. What he thought was "Why the fuck would I play a game where I'm going to get called names like this when I can play a different game where I don't get called names?" which is a completely legitimate and sensible viewpoint.
I used to go dancing. Some other people there would laugh at me 'cause I'm really bad. It was the only place to dance in town. I didn't stop going I just stopped caring about how a group of dicks acted. I only stopped going because I moved.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being upset or annoyed by people who bother you. Whether it's in league or in real life it's going to happen. You just have to react to it in a positive way.
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Why is it sensible?You let a word,some text on your screen affect your fun time.Instead of playing something you enjoy you go do something else.
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On June 30 2013 07:54 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:51 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:44 Slayer91 wrote:On June 30 2013 07:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote:
i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind
depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point
another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that
1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games)
2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc Wait who's trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities, us or you? lol And no dude, feeling defensive is a TOTALLY NORMAL response that doesn't necessarily indicate a mental health condition. Source: I'm in a doctorate program for clinical psychology and I have copies of the DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5 sitting next to me and I'm pretty well-versed in psychopathology. The TL community in question is a drop in the ocean compared to the league community. I don't really care if my ideas change anyone or not but I do like the discussion and having an unconvential viewpoint I feel like it should be tested because most things are unconvential for a good reason. feeling defesnive is a normal response from my very basic understanding as a social defense mechanism. However it doesnt really apply in a way that is helpful in this situation so its best to try to rationlize the situation if getting really angry is a problem. I never expected to be a mental health condition I was just using it because Flakes used the analogy of depression which I felt was invalid If you want to mute someone because you are playing for fun sure. If you want to improve your game other peopel getting angry has effected me a lot more than people being polite because it provokes a stronger reaction to force me to think about the situation. I didn't like the way people were saying things like "mute and tax his lane" or "/mute all and treat them like brainless bots". I prefer to treat flamers are someone just like me who's angry for a reason, if I have a good reason I'll say it quickly and then say nothing. If my view is still solid he won't change me and if I'm unsure about the situation it gives me a good incentive to talk it out with him. On June 30 2013 07:40 Ketara wrote:On June 30 2013 07:30 Numy wrote:On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote:
Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? Any multiplayer game you play will not be friendly to your 6 year old niece. You would have to fundamentally change the human race to stop this. He got called a downie in game once and immediately uninstalled the game, never played it again. I suppose a 60 year old judge needs to be more mature and have a thicker skin, right? He should just change his mindset? He's extrmely sensitive about the subject because of 20 years of strugglnig with a difficult conidition, however there was no rational reason that he should get upset about that. Some 14 year old made a 60 year old angry enough to quit a game, when I'm 60 I don't want anyone to have that kind of power over me. @flakes, yeah, ignoring trash talk takes effort. If you want to ignore it just mute them. It raises tensions in the team yes, you are less likely to win with ragers. However I look at the situation purely from an individual level and where I'm trying to improve actively. Any time someone gets really angry at you you fucked up and you need to make sure you know what and why you did what you did. If someone keeps going on about it you applaud his persistence because I don't say anything most of the time and he's literally just typing to himself for 10 minutes. I can guarantee you what he was thinking was not "I need to not let this bother me." I can guarantee you that it didn't bother him. What he thought was "Why the fuck would I play a game where I'm going to get called names like this when I can play a different game where I don't get called names?" which is a completely legitimate and sensible viewpoint. I used to go dancing. Some other people there would laugh at me 'cause I'm really bad. It was the only place to dance in town. I didn't stop going I just stopped caring about how a group of dicks acted. I only stopped going because I moved. I don't think there's anything wrong with being upset or annoyed by people who bother you. Whether it's in league or in real life it's going to happen. You just have to react to it in a positive way.
This is pretty important. If you really enjoy something than you just can't let others stop your enjoyment.
At the end of the day we can't change people. We can't stop being being trash. People have been acting like trash since there were people on this planet. There's no real point arguing about it since nothing will change. At the end of the day just don't be like them
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On June 30 2013 07:54 nafta wrote:
Why is it sensible?You let a word,some text on your screen affect your fun time.Instead of playing something you enjoy you go do something else.
Again, you are arguing on the assumption that somebody MUST play League of Legends to have fun. That it is the most fun thing, that it is worth the amount of crap you have to put through to play it.
For some people that's true. For you, that's probably true. Just because it's not true for somebody else doesn't make them an irrational person, or immature, or egotistical, or thin skinned, or any of the other things that you guys are trying to argue. It just means they didn't think LoL was fun enough to be worth being harassed while they were playing it. What isn't sensible about that?
Everybody is different. You CAN NOT argue that because somebody doesn't want to play a game where people harass them that they are weak or whatever and should be playing anyway. That's just a stupid argument.
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