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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:49 nafta wrote: How do you refuse from being harassed?This is the internet.You can't beat him up or anything.All you can do is report him after the game.If you can't simply ignore what he is saying you are upset. By standing up for yourself? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I guarantee you the amount of hate speech in games would drop dramatically overnight, as people would start realizing that even saying certain things will guarantee they lose the game. Not that I am advocating doing that, but it is an example. People should not put up with being harassed in game. There is no reason to do so. All ignoring it does is perpetuate it, because people are not being reprimanded for doing it. And in that persons next game, they may actually upset somebody. Here's a better example. I got called a slut in game a few weeks ago. I pretended to be a chick and tore the guys head off until he apologized to me. Not because I was upset, I mean I'm a dude and I don't mind very much. But because I have female friends who literally I shit you not want to play LoL and refuse to do so because they get called sluts in game. I want to play LoL with my nice female friends, not with the asshole who is going around being a sexist fuck all the time, so I'm not going to put up with him being sexist to me even if I'm not the one who is upset by his comments. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
By all means continue, but that's not going to change. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
srsly | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:59 Ketara wrote: It is a simple fact that if you guys want LoL to get more popular and more exposed to the outside, not-internet-game-lifestyle part of the world, everybody is going to have to make a conscious effort to clean up all the flaming that goes on in games. It is a serious detriment to the overall image of the game, and it's sad that anybody would try to justify it. I totally agree with you, but unfortunately, the opinion of the outspoken members of the subforum are pretty set. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:53 Ketara wrote: Lets say for example, that if anybody was ever the target of extreme hate speech, that they just stopped playing and refused to play the game with people who would speak like that. You know, like they would if it happened anywhere other than on the internet. I guarantee you the amount of hate speech in games would drop dramatically overnight, as people would start realizing that even saying certain things will guarantee they lose the game. Not that I am advocating doing that, but it is an example. People should not put up with being harassed in game. There is no reason to do so. All ignoring it does is perpetuate it, because people are not being reprimanded for doing it. And in that persons next game, they may actually upset somebody. Here's a better example. I got called a slut in game a few weeks ago. I pretended to be a chick and tore the guys head off until he apologized to me. Not because I was upset, I mean I'm a dude and I don't mind very much. But because I have female friends who literally I shit you not want to play LoL and refuse to do so because they get called sluts in game. I want to play LoL with my nice female friends, not with the asshole who is going around being a sexist fuck all the time, so I'm not going to put up with him being sexist to me even if I'm not the one who is upset by his comments. Well ok how is your friends refusing to play something they enjoy because of what a random internet person said to them make any sense? Just report after the game and that's it.I just don't understand why would you care what some random jerk says.I mean why can't you be the bigger person by not giving a fuck?Everyone knows you lose more games if you flame yet a lot of people flame.It really wouldn't change shit if you went afk. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:56 AsmodeusXI wrote: Just so everyone knows, we've had this discussion before. Slayer doesn't think people raging should matter to anyone (and thus people can do it), other people think no one should do it. By all means continue, but that's not going to change. i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that 1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games) 2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc | ||
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Shook
United States27 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:03 Shook wrote: Sorry if this is somewhere, I looked. Is there a Team Liquid chat channel on NA server? I thought there was one, cant find anything. :/ Looooong time lurker.. Prolly a new one at this point, it was liquidparty which is kinda.. dead now | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:59 Ketara wrote: It is a simple fact that if you guys want LoL to get more popular and more exposed to the outside, not-internet-game-lifestyle part of the world, everybody is going to have to make a conscious effort to clean up all the flaming that goes on in games. It is a serious detriment to the overall image of the game, and it's sad that anybody would try to justify it. I just don't engage in conversation. People enjoy flaming a lot less when it's against a wall that doesn't do anything back. Well I mostly don't even read chat and seem to play better after some whiskey so maybe I'm just fucked up. edit: Below yea I'd also rather have people flaming me than my teammates who I don't know if they go on tilt or not. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:56 AsmodeusXI wrote: Just so everyone knows, we've had this discussion before. Slayer doesn't think people raging should matter to anyone (and thus people can do it), other people think no one should do it. By all means continue, but that's not going to change. I think that is a patent mis-categorization of the views of people like Slayer, who I odn't want to put words in his mouth, but feel like verbal abuse is over emphasized. I would rather be "verbally abuse" (by the way that term is so loaded) every game if those people could get there asses straight in champ select. In fact whenever I feel like there is some tilting building up I try to get the team to be mad at me instead of each other, cus I don't care. Its like #9432 on my priority list for changing league, and Slayer probably feels the same. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:03 Slayer91 wrote: i don't agree with people who do flame, however I believe that instead of trying to change an entire society to suit personal sensitivities it is easier to readjust your frame of mind depression is a serious mental health condition, I wouldn't compare it to being offended but if there are studies to show that feeling defensive is a mental health condition and not people trying to defend their personal ego built over their skill at the game ill concede the point another key point is that the difference between someone IRL doing the same thing is that 1: You will likely not play with the same players multiple times in a row (except at high elos but nobody cares about flame at high elo its all just fun an games) 2: you aren't being personally confronted/threatened, its literally just a few lines of text on your screen its not the same as worrying this person is going to actually attack you etc I think that there's a certain amount of mental effort involved in ignoring trash talk while trying to play a team game. With practice and experience you can lower the amount of effort required, but success in LoL requires acknowledging your teammates at some level, and it is helpful to know what they are thinking. Since we are hard-wired to mentally react to language directed at ourselves, responding to flames always requires a decision (even if it's 'ignore it'), and excess decision-making in a fast-paced competition will cause stress. Given that ragers increase the tension among all of their team members to some extent (not just those being raged at), and that ignoring them is unlikely to make them stop (after the ~30 minute mark they'll probably just switch to /all and complain to the other team), it would benefit both the team and the community as a whole to respond in a way that could defuse the situation and lower tension. I usually automatically respond "my bad" or "chill" because it is always easier to let something go after you've acknowledged it rather than trying to ignore it every time you look at your chat window. By responding even in a minimal fashion, you can add some sort of closure to a bad situation and return to playing, instead of letting it bubble under the surface. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:06 SagaZ wrote: TL channel is LiquidParty or LiquidPractice This. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Edit: Actually I realized I don't care a ton about this debate, nm. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 30 2013 02:24 Slayer91 wrote: theres no reason to mute anyone if flame makes you angry you have ego issues just because sometimes your teammates are wrong doesnt mean you should ignore all of them. For example autoing the wave because you're getting shoved is something I never even bother doing because it wont make any difference and its easy to last hit under tower vs full hp minions anyway. Saying that you should NEVER mute anyone is so subjective, though. Sometimes you don't want to listen to someone rage and flame because IT'S A GAME that some people PLAY FOR FUN and once in a while it's more fun to mute someone and not hear them curse streams of insults at you and say dumb things even if it makes your team lose than it is to listen to them and win the game. Saying "you've got ego problems if you mute someone" is dumb. Sometimes you are just too smart to want to listen to people when you know they are trying to antagonize you. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with ego problems to want to change a situation so that it's less hostile and antagonistic towards you by pressing a button. I mean, maybe my chances of losing go down if I don't mute, but then again, maybe they go up. It's like you're insulting people for doing something that makes them happier just because it doesn't make you happier. I think that is very subjective. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:28 Diamond wrote: Just throwing this out there, my 6 year old niece wanted to play LoL today, could only have her play vs bots because the LoL community is so friendly. Should she just change her mindset that it's ok to be called all those names? your 6 year old niece can read? | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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