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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 29 2013 16:51 GMT
#4961
On June 30 2013 01:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 00:40 Zdrastochye wrote:
On June 29 2013 23:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
I still think Rageblade is mandatory on Kayle. It's redonkulous.

Diana is still a melee champion and her items needs defensive stats to help her dive. Nashor's, beyond the AS for push, has half the max CDR, which is great for Pale Cascade. There's no way I'd substitute Nashor's with Rageblade for good reason.


But Neo

Vamp and lifesteal ARE defensive stats.

wot? It's a triggered passive. I'd hardly consider the vamp and LS as reliable. :X


I'm just arguing that LS and SV are defensive stats, when you claim they aren't. :O
Hey! How you doin'?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 29 2013 16:55 GMT
#4962
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 29 2013 16:56 GMT
#4963
On June 30 2013 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op


SOME people you can mute.
Hey! How you doin'?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 17:01:08
June 29 2013 17:00 GMT
#4964
On June 30 2013 01:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 00:40 Zdrastochye wrote:
On June 29 2013 23:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
I still think Rageblade is mandatory on Kayle. It's redonkulous.

Diana is still a melee champion and her items needs defensive stats to help her dive. Nashor's, beyond the AS for push, has half the max CDR, which is great for Pale Cascade. There's no way I'd substitute Nashor's with Rageblade for good reason.


But Neo

Vamp and lifesteal ARE defensive stats.

wot? It's a triggered passive. I'd hardly consider the vamp and LS as reliable. :X

It stays for like forever and a half, though. Basically if you proc it once during laning you have it active until you back.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
June 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#4965
Considering the amumu debate back there and this, and that my two jungle mains are udyr and amumu (and being two of my highest winrate champs), I wish I had written those guides I had been thinking about writing. =/ only problem is that I haven't jungled anyone in 3.8 other than nunu, and I've been spamming adc in my pipe dream for challenger.

I may still, once i have some time, since you guys apparently play amumu and udyr far differently than I do.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#4966
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=39250803#39250803
Yorick rework confirmed on Saint's stream.

Half the champs in league only have braindead ways to play them though.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
June 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#4967
On June 30 2013 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op



TBH, you play at level where people understand the game a fair amount. I had one game where I ended up supporting and I was autoing the wave (not messing up last hits, just weakening full health minions) because we were getting shoved in by their team. My ADC started flaming me for "pushing the wave". =\ There are times when you just pretend your teammates are bots and carry the game from there.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 29 2013 17:19 GMT
#4968
I know pretty much everyone thinks Udyr is underwhelming and sometimes I feel like that too despite him being the champ I've played the most since I started, but he's one of my highest winrate champs and I always feel comfortable playing him. And for whatever reason he's the champ I pull off the most counterganks with and I always feel like I'm in the right place at the right time. I don't consciously plan it out or anything and maybe it's just because I play him so much but honestly, sometimes I'll play a game with him and wonder why I've been avoiding playing him to play "stronger" junglers. But that's just me.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 29 2013 17:23 GMT
#4969
On June 30 2013 02:19 koreasilver wrote:
I know pretty much everyone thinks Udyr is underwhelming and sometimes I feel like that too despite him being the champ I've played the most since I started, but he's one of my highest winrate champs and I always feel comfortable playing him. And for whatever reason he's the champ I pull off the most counterganks with and I always feel like I'm in the right place at the right time. I don't consciously plan it out or anything and maybe it's just because I play him so much but honestly, sometimes I'll play a game with him an
wonder why I've been avoiding playing him to play "stronger" junglers. But that's just me.


its because he clears so effortlessly you have more time to have map awareness and can run to countergank faster
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 17:25:57
June 29 2013 17:24 GMT
#4970
On June 30 2013 01:56 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op


SOME people you can mute.


theres no reason to mute anyone if flame makes you angry you have ego issues

On June 30 2013 02:15 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op



TBH, you play at level where people understand the game a fair amount. I had one game where I ended up supporting and I was autoing the wave (not messing up last hits, just weakening full health minions) because we were getting shoved in by their team. My ADC started flaming me for "pushing the wave". =\ There are times when you just pretend your teammates are bots and carry the game from there.


just because sometimes your teammates are wrong doesnt mean you should ignore all of them. For example autoing the wave because you're getting shoved is something I never even bother doing because it wont make any difference and its easy to last hit under tower vs full hp minions anyway.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
June 29 2013 17:26 GMT
#4971
On June 30 2013 02:10 Vanka wrote:
Considering the amumu debate back there and this, and that my two jungle mains are udyr and amumu (and being two of my highest winrate champs), I wish I had written those guides I had been thinking about writing. =/ only problem is that I haven't jungled anyone in 3.8 other than nunu, and I've been spamming adc in my pipe dream for challenger.

I may still, once i have some time, since you guys apparently play amumu and udyr far differently than I do.


Can you hit us with an abridged Udyr overview? What do you do differently? Obviously there'd be a lot of demand for something like that with the skin coming out
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 29 2013 17:27 GMT
#4972
Udyr definitely requires a different mindset compared to your other "OP" Junglers, esp during team fights. I feel like timing is even more important with manbearbird.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 29 2013 17:27 GMT
#4973
plox use Udyr therad, make use of strategy subforum.

I lub you all~
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 17:30:01
June 29 2013 17:29 GMT
#4974
they just scared to enter my domain

1 liners about why he sucks are easier than the devilish hordes of text that lie within
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 29 2013 17:56 GMT
#4975
On June 30 2013 02:24 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 01:56 Zdrastochye wrote:
On June 30 2013 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 29 2013 22:21 Simberto wrote:
On June 29 2013 21:10 Slayer91 wrote:
best answer to not wanting to donate blue buff is to ward enemy blue and smite it and once mids get too scared of going for blue early on then eventually everyone will smite the 2nd blue (nobody really cares about 3rd blue)

lol @ "/mute alll and tax lanes". If you are taxing lanes at a point where you shouldn't be then don't do it. Sometimes its just the best play to push a lane and allow someone to back without having a frozen lane.


Yeah, but if you are taking any farm out of a lane, even if it makes sense, you should generally mute the laner there. Because he WILL flame you. No matter the situation. If he is dead for another 30 seconds and the wave is running into tower, and you only lasthit and freeze just out of turret range so he can do whatever he wants with the lane, he will still spam back and flame you for "fucking up his lane".


First off, you should NEVER mute anyone. If you're getting flamed it's important that you decide for yourself if it was right or wrong. I cant tell you how many times getting flamed ni a situation has caused me to rethink a situation and change my opinion
Secondly, I get flamed for pushing badly, but whne I push and it helps more than it hurts I've actually been complimented as "finally a jungler who understands top lane".
op


SOME people you can mute.


theres no reason to mute anyone if flame makes you angry you have ego issues


It makes my games more enjoyable.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 29 2013 18:01 GMT
#4976
On June 30 2013 02:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=39250803#39250803
Yorick rework confirmed on Saint's stream.

Half the champs in league only have braindead ways to play them though.

He's needed a rework since he first game out.

Maybe that'll finally give me reason to buy him though when he's the final champion I don't own because I HATE HIM SO FUCKING MUCH
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-29 18:06:55
June 29 2013 18:06 GMT
#4977
Wrong thread.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 29 2013 18:09 GMT
#4978
Alaric, I...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 29 2013 18:25 GMT
#4979
Also I just had a game where my Cass had 999 ping. And then left.

Riot should not start a game if someone has 999 ping :p
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
June 29 2013 18:32 GMT
#4980
On June 30 2013 02:26 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 02:10 Vanka wrote:
Considering the amumu debate back there and this, and that my two jungle mains are udyr and amumu (and being two of my highest winrate champs), I wish I had written those guides I had been thinking about writing. =/ only problem is that I haven't jungled anyone in 3.8 other than nunu, and I've been spamming adc in my pipe dream for challenger.

I may still, once i have some time, since you guys apparently play amumu and udyr far differently than I do.


Can you hit us with an abridged Udyr overview? What do you do differently? Obviously there'd be a lot of demand for something like that with the skin coming out


Sorry Neo for posting once more about this outside the subforum, I'll probably make a new thread when I write the guide, I think the most recent udyr thread is kind of underwheling.

the short version of my udyr style is that I play udyr as a counter to high skirmish ad junglers: lee, j4, xin, and to a smaller extent hecarim. I build madreds for the armor, stack cloth armors and ruby crystal/kindlegem before finishing any item, and wards. I never gank unless my flash is up and theirs is not, but instead force 2v2 skirmishes by trying to actively predict the enemy ganks by their movement through wards and contesting enemy buffs. (my build/mindset is significantly different for double ap comps as well as ap junglers)

In teamfights, I run at their enemy carries, forcing them to kite and then I turn and stun the enemy tanks and peel for my carry.
I also run magic pen reds, but that's because I can only have two rune pages on the chinese server without paying money. It does help when I'm fighting tank on tank though.
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