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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 26 2013 18:20 GMT
#4241
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Week 2, new jungle and perhaps a new CLG?
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 26 2013 18:24 GMT
#4242
For me, new Cait is like old Trist. Strong early game, weak mid game, strong late game. I think her early game is much stronger than old Trist but her late game is much weaker.

Once you get IE/PD/LW, and if your kiting skills are up to snuff, you do the damages and you have decent escapes because of your range and how you don't need to get so close to anybody.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 26 2013 18:29 GMT
#4243
I can only compare my experiences between adc's but in solo queue it's hard to not have that strong midgame. I'm not great of course but even if I feel I'm even and maybe ahead as Cait I feel like the game is out of my control while when I play Graves or Ez I like I'm doing more before lategame. If you do pick Cait you probably want to push down towers as soon as yours is down?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 26 2013 18:39 GMT
#4244
Usually if you pick Cait in solo queue you're gonna try to get a big CS lead and ride that through her lack luster mid game into late game. It's not uncommon to have a 20-30 CS lead as Caitlyn just because you can CS so easy with her and her range allows you to make your opponent choose between taking harass and getting CS (and he can only trade harass for CS so often before it isn't worth it anymore).

Caitlyn is often considered one of the easier ADCs to play. And while this is true to play her at full potential requires arguably more mechanical skill than any other ADC except maybe Vayne. Caitlyn is like the definition of "easy to learn, hard to master" in League of Legends.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
June 26 2013 18:43 GMT
#4245
On June 27 2013 03:29 mordek wrote:
If you do pick Cait you probably want to push down towers as soon as yours is down?


precisely this. cait will feel underwhelming even with a substantial farm lead in early/midgame fights against many other ads, but this weakness can be worked around by immediately rotating to take the first towers in other lanes. if the towers are taken down very early into the game, then your team will be on good footing to snowball through the game. if the first tower doesn't go down for some time, then an infinity edge should be complete by the time teamfights other than the first/maybe second dragon roll around and cait will be doing good damage.

the first dragon fight is where cait's lackluster early fighting threatens her most, and there isn't a simple solution for this. just play it well or 2v1 top
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
June 26 2013 18:54 GMT
#4246
If two people on your team have Wit's end and attack the same target, do the stacks apply independently?
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 18:57:35
June 26 2013 18:56 GMT
#4247
Cait can put so much pressure on most adcs (not named Draven) and push like a crazy person. In so many games you can constantly keep the other adc harassed low and pushed to their tower from the range. The moment you take your own tower you shove out the lane, buy, and immediately start sieging another base. If your team has even 1 other good sieging champion you can crush towers with even the slightest mispositioning from the other team.

Her Q is odd in team fights but it's still decent damage against clumped teams or as part of an EQ combo on someone chasing you. She's a nightmare to deal with in team fights due to her range and slippery nature. Her steroid sucks, but at least she has full range for the entire game (unlike Kog/Trist).

Not taking away from other adc's, just saying that Cait does certain things better than every other adc. If you're just farming passively in lane and don't siege turrets later in the game then yea, she's going to look awful as a champion.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 26 2013 18:56 GMT
#4248
On June 27 2013 03:54 arnath wrote:
If two people on your team have Wit's end and attack the same target, do the stacks apply independently?


Oh my god the cheese potential.
Useless wet fish.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
June 26 2013 18:58 GMT
#4249
Cait is, generally, I think, the most Support-Independent AD Carry for winning lane (Ezreal is probably the most independent for not dying). Like, I had a ZAC support who never stepped past our Ranged Creeps vs. Vayne-Blitz and we won lane just by pushing, and my autos when hook was down.

By the way, if I ever see another ZAC support...
Freeeeeeedom
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 26 2013 19:02 GMT
#4250
On June 27 2013 03:39 overt wrote:
Usually if you pick Cait in solo queue you're gonna try to get a big CS lead and ride that through her lack luster mid game into late game. It's not uncommon to have a 20-30 CS lead as Caitlyn just because you can CS so easy with her and her range allows you to make your opponent choose between taking harass and getting CS (and he can only trade harass for CS so often before it isn't worth it anymore).

Caitlyn is often considered one of the easier ADCs to play. And while this is true to play her at full potential requires arguably more mechanical skill than any other ADC except maybe Vayne. Caitlyn is like the definition of "easy to learn, hard to master" in League of Legends.

I find Cait much easier to play in late game than most other AD carries. She has an escape and she has range. When you play someone with short range like Graves or Vayne, you don't have the safety blanket like you do with Cait and you have to be more careful when you go in. When you play someone like Ashe or Varus or MF, you don't have an escape so you have to really watch where you're going.

With Cait, you're already far enough from the fight as it is, and if people get close you can still run. The only easier late-game ADCs are probably Trist and Ez.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 26 2013 19:07 GMT
#4251
On June 27 2013 03:54 arnath wrote:
If two people on your team have Wit's end and attack the same target, do the stacks apply independently?

Pretty sure it'll end up working the same way Black Cleaver does. Both people will shred MR so you'll simply just reach the shred cap faster.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 26 2013 19:55 GMT
#4252
I really wish there was a test mode where you get a start with a ton of gold, and for the purposes of this mode only, enabled the ability to deselect units, along with a full combat log.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:04:01
June 26 2013 20:02 GMT
#4253
On June 27 2013 04:55 Amui wrote:
I really wish there was a test mode where you get a start with a ton of gold, and for the purposes of this mode only, enabled the ability to deselect units, along with a full combat log.

And set level, of course. It's not much good to have 3 item champions at level 1.

EDIT: I also would give a lot for this. There are a lot of times where I want to test even matchups in lane at levels 7-9, but playing 10-12 minutes is pretty cumbersome and also does not always result in an even lane.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:07:56
June 26 2013 20:06 GMT
#4254
So, I don't recall who it was that had that Jayce abuse his Thundering blow skill, but it's real for sure. There was a reddit post on it with videos proving it. Don't know if it's an actual hack, but it seems to be messed up. It seems to basically turn Jayce backwards then hit his skill so it throws a person in that direction instead.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1h4adi/op_jayce_bughackvideo_inside/
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
June 26 2013 20:08 GMT
#4255
On June 27 2013 05:06 ketchup wrote:
So, I don't recall who it was that had that Jayce abuse his Thundering blow skill, but it's real for sure. There was a reddit post on it with videos proving it. Don't know if it's an actual hack, but it seems to be messed up. It seems to basically turn Jayce backwards then hit his skill so it throws a person in that direction instead.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1h4adi/op_jayce_bughackvideo_inside/


So hammer basically knocks players in the direction jayce is facing eh?
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:15:24
June 26 2013 20:09 GMT
#4256
I hadn't played normals in, I dunno... 2 months? Maybe more. Had forgotten about the lottery that is the free week champs. Holy. x_o

(Also the beautiful matchmaking when it comes to premade, but it isn't the players' fault here. Urgh, again 5 solos vs 4+1.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:24:55
June 26 2013 20:23 GMT
#4257
See, Caitlyn has the problem of just being an auto-attack champ once late game hits, and I don't know if that's what I'm looking for in my ADC. My ideal ADC is someone with a good poke (for early game dives and guaranteeing CS), one escape skill other than Flash, and an ult that helps in team fights (CC or lotsa dmg. to multiple targets). Right now, the person that best fits that idea is Ez, but Draven just shuts him down so hard in lane it's rediculous.

Vayne's close, but is even more auto-attacky then Cait, and Varus doesn't really have an escape skill, just an AoE slow.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
June 26 2013 20:32 GMT
#4258
On June 27 2013 05:23 Kinie wrote:
See, Caitlyn has the problem of just being an auto-attack champ once late game hits, and I don't know if that's what I'm looking for in my ADC. My ideal ADC is someone with a good poke (for early game dives and guaranteeing CS), one escape skill other than Flash, and an ult that helps in team fights (CC or lotsa dmg. to multiple targets). Right now, the person that best fits that idea is Ez, but Draven just shuts him down so hard in lane it's rediculous.

Vayne's close, but is even more auto-attacky then Cait, and Varus doesn't really have an escape skill, just an AoE slow.


Graves/Corki (if his ult doesn't fizzle all the time anymore)? Although Draven just kills them in lane as well, Graves less so.
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 26 2013 20:38 GMT
#4259
Ez loses to everyone really draven isn't the only problem.

You just have to concede one of what you want.There is no ad that has everything.

Varus seems to fit what you want the best.You underestimate how much peel his ultimate offers.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
June 26 2013 20:40 GMT
#4260
On June 27 2013 05:23 Kinie wrote:
See, Caitlyn has the problem of just being an auto-attack champ once late game hits, and I don't know if that's what I'm looking for in my ADC. My ideal ADC is someone with a good poke (for early game dives and guaranteeing CS), one escape skill other than Flash, and an ult that helps in team fights (CC or lotsa dmg. to multiple targets). Right now, the person that best fits that idea is Ez, but Draven just shuts him down so hard in lane it's rediculous.

Vayne's close, but is even more auto-attacky then Cait, and Varus doesn't really have an escape skill, just an AoE slow.

I dunno, Cait pokes pretty hard with both autos, Q, and even R as a one off, and her E isn't as good as Ez E or Trist W but is pretty good when you're dealing with someone diving you
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