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On June 08 2013 01:06 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 00:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 08 2013 00:42 Gahlo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Justicar != Justiciar Poll: Should the ranking system be a valid top in GD?DEMACIA! (23) 53% No. (10) 23% Absolutely, I'm super dumb. (6) 14% Yes, I'm dumb. (2) 5% Maybe. (2) 5% 43 total votes Your vote: Should the ranking system be a valid top in GD? (Vote): No.
(Vote): Yes, I'm dumb.
(Vote): Absolutely, I'm super dumb.
(Vote): Maybe.
(Vote): DEMACIA!
100% legit poll. Neo, the choice is clear. Pls ban Pokemon discussion
Who do you think you are?!
The door is that way -------->
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On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best.
Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results.
I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota.
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On June 08 2013 01:01 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Don't bother, wei2coolman's not here to discuss the relative assessment of Cop and Genja as AD carries, but here to spread his agenda across, so there's almost no use in debating the issue with him because his mind is already made up. I've called wei2coolman out on his tendencies to spread his agenda across rather than promoting in-depth discussions, and went in painstaking detail in order to ask him to back his statements up with specific games from which he extrapolated his opinions from. It turns out he is content with re-iterating what Doublelift says during his trash-talks and putting faith in them to almost a religious degree. He doesn't need proof apart from his own beliefs, and certainly doesn't think it's necessary convince others by putting forth a worthwhile discussion because it might be detrimental to his drum-beating.
That's a lot of shit flinging coming from your mouth. Do you really expect me to go through like 20 VoDs just to point out why certain ADC's are better than other ADC's just to satisfy you?
Also "my agenda"; what am I now? a vast gov't conspiracy to brainwash everyone into thinking Godlift is the best (also, ya'll should be getting on the jiji jungle hype train)? You give me too much credit.
Don't get all riled up because I choose to rank players from my viewing experience; and you choose not to. It's not any different than my version of power rankings.
On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best. Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results. I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota.
Korea didn't dump on China; so much as it's all star game and it's not a very good representation of actual skill level of each region.
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Yango is Icefrog so he can't have a bias towards a region
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On June 08 2013 01:06 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 00:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On June 08 2013 00:42 Gahlo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Justicar != Justiciar Poll: Should the ranking system be a valid top in GD?DEMACIA! (23) 53% No. (10) 23% Absolutely, I'm super dumb. (6) 14% Yes, I'm dumb. (2) 5% Maybe. (2) 5% 43 total votes Your vote: Should the ranking system be a valid top in GD? (Vote): No.
(Vote): Yes, I'm dumb.
(Vote): Absolutely, I'm super dumb.
(Vote): Maybe.
(Vote): DEMACIA!
100% legit poll. Neo, the choice is clear. Pls ban Pokemon discussion
Blasphemes!! Heretic!! Ban him!!
On June 08 2013 01:03 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 00:40 onlywonderboy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Sadly we can't base everyone on head to head results now that international tournaments are so few and far between. I generally get the sense NA Bot lanes are stronger because I see them carry LCS games more often than EU ADCs. But that might just because EU Mid laners are so strong they are just able to carry before the ADCs really get a chance to shine. Unfortunately there is no hard data to support either side so all of these opinions are just based on personal views and assessments. you're completely right, and that's why I think from now on we should refrain from saying X position of Y region is better than Region Z, because at the end of the day it's still a 5v5 game. Like I won't even argue that Doublelift is much better than Yellowpete currently but clg hasn't won a tournament since august 2011 or in general a good tournament finish which wasn't NA only, while under clg.eu Pete & friends had, I don't know how many top4 results + #1 kings of europe, Dreamhack and LonestarClash. You also just made me realize how 2 out curse, clg and Dig won't be able to go to worlds. ( I expect TSM to definitely qualify) Wouldn't even be surprised if it's TSM + C9/GGU going to worlds haha
On June 06 2013 18:41 JonGalt wrote:
1 week till LCS!! Here is my prediction:
End of Summer Split we have:
1) TSM
2) C9
3) Curse
4) Vulcun
5) GGU
6) Dignitas
7) CLG
8) Velocity (sorry guitar!)
Playoffs:
Vulcun > GGU
Curse > Dignitas
TSM > Vulcun
C9 > Curse
Vulcun > Curse
TSM > C9
Baylife.
Predictions?
I posted this a few pages ago and no one took the bait. Since you brought it up... WHO YA GOT??
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I think you guys need to read between the lines a little. These guys are professional players with images to upkeep (though some players have terrible PR and social skills). When you leave a team it's much more PR to say "our playstyles don't mesh, and the results show" than "You know the guy I have to spend the most time around? I really don't like him as a person because of X Y and Z."
It's perfectly reasonable to partner with Cop to see how they pair in bot lane, and for both people to make adjustments as necessary for an overall stronger lane, as long as they get along as human beings. Cop would love to play with Edward, while Genja has been the same old attitude for 1.5 years now.
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On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:
I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota.
Taken on it's own, sort of.
Like I said before, I felt the Korean team was the strongest on paper, but that I had hoped the morale advantage of playing in China would help the Chinese team pull through.
Given the current circumstances, it's not so surprising seeing as neither PDD nor Weixiao have been on great form lately. And in retrospect, based on the way iG and WE operate, I think those 2 players would be terrible on a team together.
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NA too fucking hard to predict in this split. A lot of the teams are way too close in skill level. Depending on how the roster change affected CLG; but recent scrims making them look pretty weak. Also, I don't know if Curse still has the motivational chops to try as hard as they did in the beginning of spring split. Sadly enough, I'm going to have to say TSM is going to probably take first again; only to go to worlds and to get swept by an Asian team.
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wtf only kids play Pokemon what is wrong with you ?
(am I doing this right ?)
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I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season
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On June 08 2013 00:36 JonGalt wrote:I really would like MMR/LP/Elo/League System to be a banned topic. Poll anyone? Can't do it on my blackberry. Maybe if someone who understood the system the best made a thread it could all migrate there. Or take it to QQ. I only want to read drama, knowledge bombs, and pokemon in the GD thread  Edit: And it's been beaten to fuckin' death. Hecarim is upset for how much we beat that dead horse.
Anti-skin fascist.
(And I wasn't discussing LP gain or anything of the sort, felt like a knee-jerk reaction to see everyone talk about banning LP/MMR/"promo hell" discussions. :/)
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On June 08 2013 01:25 Lylat wrote:
wtf only kids play Pokemon what is wrong with you ?
(am I doing this right ?)
inb4 MoonBear bans your ass XP
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On June 08 2013 01:13 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:01 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Don't bother, wei2coolman's not here to discuss the relative assessment of Cop and Genja as AD carries, but here to spread his agenda across, so there's almost no use in debating the issue with him because his mind is already made up. I've called wei2coolman out on his tendencies to spread his agenda across rather than promoting in-depth discussions, and went in painstaking detail in order to ask him to back his statements up with specific games from which he extrapolated his opinions from. It turns out he is content with re-iterating what Doublelift says during his trash-talks and putting faith in them to almost a religious degree. He doesn't need proof apart from his own beliefs, and certainly doesn't think it's necessary convince others by putting forth a worthwhile discussion because it might be detrimental to his drum-beating. That's a lot of shit flinging coming from your mouth. Do you really expect me to go through like 20 VoDs just to point out why certain ADC's are better than other ADC's just to satisfy you? Also "my agenda"; what am I now? a vast gov't conspiracy to brainwash everyone into thinking Godlift is the best (also, ya'll should be getting on the jiji jungle hype train)? You give me too much credit. Don't get all riled up because I choose to rank players from my viewing experience; and you choose not to. It's not any different than my version of power rankings. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best. Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results. I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota. Korea didn't dump on China; so much as it's all star game and it's not a very good representation of actual skill level of each region.
Wouldn't it be much more satisfying taking that time to watch over the games that led you to believe these opinions you have, rather than use the same argument that coincidently happens to side with the North American AD carries every single time compared to whichever AD carry you choose to compare them against? At least that way, we can both learn. As of now, I'm starting to believe that you didn't even have any games to reference your opinions on, and you're just rehashing words from other people's mouths without thinking twice about it, or just making up assumptions based on almost nothing.
Seriously, if it isn't just an agenda you're attending to spread, educate me. I have watched games featuring both Cop and Genja, and have some difficulty accurately assessing the two. Considering you've probably watched a whole lot more of them, is it that hard just listing some games that made you realize that Cop was the superior of the two? You said rank on your own personal viewing experience. Then recall that viewing experience so that the rest of can learn. Or else I'll call bullshit.
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On June 08 2013 01:35 MattBarry wrote:
I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season
He'll probably go back to playing for Curse Academy now. Not a bad back-up, Rhux is a solid Top laner.
On June 08 2013 01:43 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:13 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2013 01:01 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Don't bother, wei2coolman's not here to discuss the relative assessment of Cop and Genja as AD carries, but here to spread his agenda across, so there's almost no use in debating the issue with him because his mind is already made up. I've called wei2coolman out on his tendencies to spread his agenda across rather than promoting in-depth discussions, and went in painstaking detail in order to ask him to back his statements up with specific games from which he extrapolated his opinions from. It turns out he is content with re-iterating what Doublelift says during his trash-talks and putting faith in them to almost a religious degree. He doesn't need proof apart from his own beliefs, and certainly doesn't think it's necessary convince others by putting forth a worthwhile discussion because it might be detrimental to his drum-beating. That's a lot of shit flinging coming from your mouth. Do you really expect me to go through like 20 VoDs just to point out why certain ADC's are better than other ADC's just to satisfy you? Also "my agenda"; what am I now? a vast gov't conspiracy to brainwash everyone into thinking Godlift is the best (also, ya'll should be getting on the jiji jungle hype train)? You give me too much credit. Don't get all riled up because I choose to rank players from my viewing experience; and you choose not to. It's not any different than my version of power rankings. On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best. Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results. I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota. Korea didn't dump on China; so much as it's all star game and it's not a very good representation of actual skill level of each region. Wouldn't it be much more satisfying taking that time to watch over the games that led you to believe these opinions you have, rather than use the same argument that coincidently happens to side with the North American AD carries every single time compared to whichever AD carry you choose to compare them against? At least that way, we can both learn. As of now, I'm starting to believe that you didn't even have any games to reference your opinions on, and you're just rehashing words from other people's mouths without thinking twice about it, or just making up assumptions based on almost nothing. Seriously, if it isn't just an agenda you're attending to spread, educate me. I have watched games featuring both Cop and Genja, and have some difficulty accurately assessing the two. Considering you've probably watched a whole lot more of them, is it that hard just listing some games that made you realize that Cop was the superior of the two? You said rank on your own personal viewing experience. Then recall that viewing experience so that the rest of can learn. Or else I'll call bullshit.
You don't always need specific games, I watched all of the NA LCS and most of the EU LCS and got the vibe that Cop had a greater impact on Curse than Genja did on Gambit. This is an opinion I think wei2 and I share that really can't be expressed through specific examples in VoDs because it's a feeling that spanned the whole season.
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On June 08 2013 01:25 Lylat wrote:
wtf only kids play Pokemon what is wrong with you ?
(am I doing this right ?)
you know there's a thread where you can just request a ban.
just saying.
EDIT: Also, Toyz has 230K IP on his account.
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On June 08 2013 01:43 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:35 MattBarry wrote:
I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season He'll probably go back to playing for Curse Academy now. Not a bad back-up, Rhux is a solid Top laner.
I thought MegaZero was playing for them now?
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On June 08 2013 01:47 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:43 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 08 2013 01:35 MattBarry wrote:
I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season He'll probably go back to playing for Curse Academy now. Not a bad back-up, Rhux is a solid Top laner. I thought MegaZero was playing for them now?
Might have been subbing, MegaZero is a sub for C9 now.
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On June 08 2013 01:43 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:35 MattBarry wrote:
I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season He'll probably go back to playing for Curse Academy now. Not a bad back-up, Rhux is a solid Top laner. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:43 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 01:13 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2013 01:01 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Don't bother, wei2coolman's not here to discuss the relative assessment of Cop and Genja as AD carries, but here to spread his agenda across, so there's almost no use in debating the issue with him because his mind is already made up. I've called wei2coolman out on his tendencies to spread his agenda across rather than promoting in-depth discussions, and went in painstaking detail in order to ask him to back his statements up with specific games from which he extrapolated his opinions from. It turns out he is content with re-iterating what Doublelift says during his trash-talks and putting faith in them to almost a religious degree. He doesn't need proof apart from his own beliefs, and certainly doesn't think it's necessary convince others by putting forth a worthwhile discussion because it might be detrimental to his drum-beating. That's a lot of shit flinging coming from your mouth. Do you really expect me to go through like 20 VoDs just to point out why certain ADC's are better than other ADC's just to satisfy you? Also "my agenda"; what am I now? a vast gov't conspiracy to brainwash everyone into thinking Godlift is the best (also, ya'll should be getting on the jiji jungle hype train)? You give me too much credit. Don't get all riled up because I choose to rank players from my viewing experience; and you choose not to. It's not any different than my version of power rankings. On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best. Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results. I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota. Korea didn't dump on China; so much as it's all star game and it's not a very good representation of actual skill level of each region. Wouldn't it be much more satisfying taking that time to watch over the games that led you to believe these opinions you have, rather than use the same argument that coincidently happens to side with the North American AD carries every single time compared to whichever AD carry you choose to compare them against? At least that way, we can both learn. As of now, I'm starting to believe that you didn't even have any games to reference your opinions on, and you're just rehashing words from other people's mouths without thinking twice about it, or just making up assumptions based on almost nothing. Seriously, if it isn't just an agenda you're attending to spread, educate me. I have watched games featuring both Cop and Genja, and have some difficulty accurately assessing the two. Considering you've probably watched a whole lot more of them, is it that hard just listing some games that made you realize that Cop was the superior of the two? You said rank on your own personal viewing experience. Then recall that viewing experience so that the rest of can learn. Or else I'll call bullshit. You don't always need specific games, I watched all of the NA LCS and most of the EU LCS and got the vibe that Cop had a greater impact on Curse than Genja did on Gambit. This is an opinion I think wei2 and I share that really can't be expressed through specific examples in VoDs because it's a feeling that spanned the whole season.
"Cop had a greater impact on Curse than Genja did on Gambit."
"Cop is an upgrade to Genja."
Surely anyone can see that those two arguments are separate issues that needs to be discussed separately.
Furthermore, basing arguments purely off vibes is dumb. We all have our pre-conceived biases, the "vibes" you get from your experiences as a viewer are often wrong, or at least mislead due to the incomplete information we receive from casual viewing experience. Surely we're here to recall, and re-assess, to the best of our capabilities when we discuss these kind of issues, and to do that, we need specific examples and proof. Otherwise we're basically here sharing our gut-feelings.
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On June 08 2013 01:43 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:35 MattBarry wrote:
I don't think Rhux was ever meant to be a support player for Curse. I think they're keeping him as a good replacement for Voyboy when he chooses to go back to his education, which is probably after this season He'll probably go back to playing for Curse Academy now. Not a bad back-up, Rhux is a solid Top laner. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:43 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 01:13 wei2coolman wrote:On June 08 2013 01:01 Letmelose wrote:On June 08 2013 00:36 AsnSensation wrote:On June 07 2013 22:35 Lylat wrote:On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.
CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue. Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ? I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season I like Wei2 but it's getting rather annoying to read at least twice a weak how NA carries supposedly >>> their european peers Call me biased since I'm european but yeah I'll give God aka Doublelift >>> any EU AD but the rest hasn't shown anything significant that warrants a NA ad > Eu ad generalisation. By significant I mean an apparent skillgap between e.g. Froggen, Peke and Bjergsen (alex has been rather derpy since week 10 of lcs and at allstars) compared to NA Mids. And even that statement might be so true anymore, while we make fun of reginald in LR threads for his shitty tf mechanics or randomy 1v1 deaths, he is still carrying tsm hard with arguably less practice ( not sure how much he plays the game compared the rest since he has many solomid.net commitments. ManCloud and Link look really solid, as well. To come back to NA ad's, none of the "new guys" (turtle, Nien, Zuna, Mashme etc) will get credit in my book unless they've proven themselves in international matches like Doublelift and (rather unsuccesfully) qtpie and Cop. Sry but I just don't see how it's so easy to say that they are >>Genja, Yellowstar, Rekkles, Candypanda, Yellowpete and the other guys. So calling Cop and improvement to Genja is really hilarious since both play the same pussy style but apparently Genja is Gambit's pick/bans mastermind and partly shotcaller. Anyways, CRS EDWARD PLS Don't bother, wei2coolman's not here to discuss the relative assessment of Cop and Genja as AD carries, but here to spread his agenda across, so there's almost no use in debating the issue with him because his mind is already made up. I've called wei2coolman out on his tendencies to spread his agenda across rather than promoting in-depth discussions, and went in painstaking detail in order to ask him to back his statements up with specific games from which he extrapolated his opinions from. It turns out he is content with re-iterating what Doublelift says during his trash-talks and putting faith in them to almost a religious degree. He doesn't need proof apart from his own beliefs, and certainly doesn't think it's necessary convince others by putting forth a worthwhile discussion because it might be detrimental to his drum-beating. That's a lot of shit flinging coming from your mouth. Do you really expect me to go through like 20 VoDs just to point out why certain ADC's are better than other ADC's just to satisfy you? Also "my agenda"; what am I now? a vast gov't conspiracy to brainwash everyone into thinking Godlift is the best (also, ya'll should be getting on the jiji jungle hype train)? You give me too much credit. Don't get all riled up because I choose to rank players from my viewing experience; and you choose not to. It's not any different than my version of power rankings. On June 08 2013 01:12 AsnSensation wrote:On June 08 2013 01:05 TheYango wrote:
Except for Korea.
We can safely say Korea is the best. Oh no question, I just thought the "this continent is better at this position bla" is a bit useless because to me personally it only matters who manages to win the games at the end of the day because you can't argue with results. I'm actually quite interested if you were just as surprised as everyone else that Korea dumped on China so hard, since you are big fan of chinese League/Dota. Korea didn't dump on China; so much as it's all star game and it's not a very good representation of actual skill level of each region. Wouldn't it be much more satisfying taking that time to watch over the games that led you to believe these opinions you have, rather than use the same argument that coincidently happens to side with the North American AD carries every single time compared to whichever AD carry you choose to compare them against? At least that way, we can both learn. As of now, I'm starting to believe that you didn't even have any games to reference your opinions on, and you're just rehashing words from other people's mouths without thinking twice about it, or just making up assumptions based on almost nothing. Seriously, if it isn't just an agenda you're attending to spread, educate me. I have watched games featuring both Cop and Genja, and have some difficulty accurately assessing the two. Considering you've probably watched a whole lot more of them, is it that hard just listing some games that made you realize that Cop was the superior of the two? You said rank on your own personal viewing experience. Then recall that viewing experience so that the rest of can learn. Or else I'll call bullshit. You don't always need specific games, I watched all of the NA LCS and most of the EU LCS and got the vibe that Cop had a greater impact on Curse than Genja did on Gambit. This is an opinion I think wei2 and I share that really can't be expressed through specific examples in VoDs because it's a feeling that spanned the whole season.
If only cop played ashe every game. He'd be the best adc in the world. Land dem arrows all day.
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