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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 07 2013 13:08 GMT
#6081
If the whole story is false, why didn't Edward come forward and state it was false ? He's pretty active on social networks and it's not benefiting him so he has nothing to win by letting the rumor continue.
The legend of Darien lives on
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 07 2013 13:08 GMT
#6082
legendary udyr skin is probably supposed to be out for ages but then riot realized their attempted "buff" nerfed him again so he blows donkey now and nobody plays him if they just left him alone with the 12% resist passive he'd be fine
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 07 2013 13:18 GMT
#6083
On June 07 2013 22:08 mr_tolkien wrote:
If the whole story is false, why didn't Edward come forward and state it was false ? He's pretty active on social networks and it's not benefiting him so he has nothing to win by letting the rumor continue.

Attention. Which is one of the most important things for him now if hes still looking for a team.
Off-season = best season
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 13:36:34
June 07 2013 13:35 GMT
#6084
On June 07 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop is an upgrade to Genja, but not by too much.
Curse real threat now though; Edward can carry cop in lane. No real weaknesses on Curse anymore.

CONFIRMED ON SAINT'S STREAM. hue.

Meh, don't think Cop is an upgrade at all, don't know why Genja gets so much hate.. Maybe because he's the less good player in the team ?
I'd argue that Darien looked like the weakest player in GG last season
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 07 2013 13:35 GMT
#6085
I'd like to see Edward/Aphro lane, their aggressiveness would match up pretty well. Aphro would be a pretty big upgrade over Cop who seems to think left clicks are more important than right clicks for ad carries.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 13:42:56
June 07 2013 13:37 GMT
#6086
This rape on garena. 18-1 at 17min. TPA is so far ahead of SEA...
Bebe's such a feeder, he has all the deaths of the team.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 07 2013 13:39 GMT
#6087
On June 07 2013 21:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 21:50 Dusty wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:37 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:35 Dusty wrote:
Not sure I agree with Justicar being mediocre, I think the colors and the model are quite nice and the effect on his E is pretty cool. But yeah I love the theme as well


The "mediocre" comment is almost entirely based on the splash art, which I know is silly, but the Syndra and Varus skins literally made me buy the champs to get the skins.

I have high standards for that skin theme.

+ Show Spoiler +
The Soraka one is great and all but I fucking hate Soraka with a burning passion.


wait wait so even if the model is cool you won't get it because of the splash art? o_o


No no, I mean, maybe the model will be cool and I'll consider it, but unless I HAVE TO BUY IT UPON SIGHT from splash it's not "as good" as Justicar Syndra or Arclight Varus.

+ Show Spoiler +
SILENCE I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE REASONABLE

You're wealthy, that ain't too bad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 07 2013 14:02 GMT
#6088
Three people (including a duo) in promotion series in my team. one on the other. Silver III (+ me Silver I) vs Gold V and 4 Silver I guys. Yay matchmaking. :|
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#6089
On June 07 2013 23:02 Alaric wrote:
Three people (including a duo) in promotion series in my team. one on the other. Silver III (+ me Silver I) vs Gold V and 4 Silver I guys. Yay matchmaking. :|


When I get paired against a bunch of Plat 1 + Diamond Players (I'm Plat III now) I just tell myself its because I have a baller MMR.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 07 2013 14:07 GMT
#6090
On June 07 2013 23:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 23:02 Alaric wrote:
Three people (including a duo) in promotion series in my team. one on the other. Silver III (+ me Silver I) vs Gold V and 4 Silver I guys. Yay matchmaking. :|


When I get paired against a bunch of Plat 1 + Diamond Players (I'm Plat III now) I just tell myself its because I have a baller MMR.

When playing on an alt account, I got matched with Diamond IV players while I was still Gold II. Without duos.

This new system is pretty much bullshit xD
The legend of Darien lives on
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 14:08:13
June 07 2013 14:07 GMT
#6091
do you still not understand that the leagues are not a proper indication of your matchmaking rating?
We had this discussion like 10 times.


You cant complain about matchmaking when you are playing with people from different leagues.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 14:16:55
June 07 2013 14:10 GMT
#6092
^ no, Riot said the system inflates your Elo during promotion series, and the 3 people on my team all said they were in promotion series. So it's not about the "the division doesn't show your proper level", it's about the way the system can create one-sided scenarios by oversight—as in, picture the Elo advantage given to purple team, it's something small. But when you add the gap created from inflation on top of that, it can quickly grow. If it's only one person it shouldn't be a problem, but the system basically put more than half our team against people they wouldn't get matched with in "normal" scenarios (eg. no promotion inflation).

On June 07 2013 23:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 23:02 Alaric wrote:
Three people (including a duo) in promotion series in my team. one on the other. Silver III (+ me Silver I) vs Gold V and 4 Silver I guys. Yay matchmaking. :|


When I get paired against a bunch of Plat 1 + Diamond Players (I'm Plat III now) I just tell myself its because I have a baller MMR.

'cept it just means the system inflates their MMR and actually gives the enemy team a HUGE average Elo advantage (team picked and played like shit for 3 of them).
I mean, I can understand the logic for the person in the promotion series, however having the system able to put 3 in one team and none in the other creates pretty lopsided scenarios and... well... it wasn't fun at all for the other people involved on our team. :|
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 07 2013 14:16 GMT
#6093
Question about that - division I seems to be +/- 5 LP a game. Does my MMR change by that much as well? If so it'd seem weird that rating/MMR changes by 20+ points a game in division V-II, then all of a sudden it just halts in I.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 07 2013 14:21 GMT
#6094
No, division 1 represents a larger range of MMR than divisions 2-5
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 14:36:31
June 07 2013 14:36 GMT
#6095
Edward is going to announce what team his joining later today (Source), so we won't have to wait too long to find out if the Curse rumors are true.

Also I'm not sure why everyone is so worried that Edward and Cop's playstyle won't mesh. Genja and Cop play pretty similarly, which is more passive and safe than Doublelift or WildTurtle. If Edward was able to carry Genja he should be able to carry Cop too. Although NA Bot lanes are a bit stronger than EU overall.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
June 07 2013 14:37 GMT
#6096
IMO, you shouldn't worry about not getting evenly matched up with your opponents. If you get matched with better opponents, the system compensates by subtracting less MMR when you lose / adding more MMR when you win. There's nothing inherent about the system that requires even matchmaking to work.

If you don't like it because you can't win, stahp caring about wins and start caring more about your own self improvement :\
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 14:41:22
June 07 2013 14:40 GMT
#6097
On June 07 2013 22:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 21:49 nojitosunrise wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:40 Redox wrote:
On June 07 2013 21:21 JonGalt wrote:
WCS Season 1 Finals have 3 foreigners. Really wish Blizzard had done a region lock like LCS. + Show Spoiler +
And they all got knocked out in the group stage. Hope SC2 doesn't go the way of BW.

Regarding the Edward issue I was wondering anyway, could he even play for Curse if he wanted? I am not quite sure how the lock works.

The curse announcement is probably related to their new esports website debuting soon.

My question still stands though. Could Edward or any other Eu player play for a NA LCS team if he wanted to?

Yes. The rosters aren't locked since it is in-between splits. And even then NA and EU teams are allowed to make cross region trades before the rosters get locked in for the Summer Split.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 07 2013 14:48 GMT
#6098
Picked up Annie yesterday.
Penta with her last game.

Ok, I like her.
The legend of Darien lives on
TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
June 07 2013 14:54 GMT
#6099
TEBBAHZ
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 07 2013 15:01 GMT
#6100
On June 07 2013 23:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Edward is going to announce what team his joining later today (Source), so we won't have to wait too long to find out if the Curse rumors are true.

Also I'm not sure why everyone is so worried that Edward and Cop's playstyle won't mesh. Genja and Cop play pretty similarly, which is more passive and safe than Doublelift or WildTurtle. If Edward was able to carry Genja he should be able to carry Cop too. Although NA Bot lanes are a bit stronger than EU overall.


To me, the problem with this isn't that they won't be able to play together well, it's that Edward hated Genja's playstyle. Edward likes aggression, Cop/Genja like to be passive. Edward can certainly play that style, but when part of his problem with GG was he didn't like playing passively it doesn't bode well for laning with Cop.
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