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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 31 2013 06:00 GMT
#4341
Who the hell is SBS?
Retvrn to Forvms
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
May 31 2013 06:09 GMT
#4342
On May 31 2013 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 14:52 sob3k wrote:
On May 31 2013 14:25 Scip wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say that Xin relies on AS, given he has 40% attack speed increase from his skills and almost nothing that scales with attack speed.
The problem is that it's cost inefficient ever since the nerf, if you have been seeing it some time after the nerf it's only because people were too lazy to change their item builds.


Wits is most definitely not cost inefficient after nerf, you pay like 350 gold for the magic damage onhit when it is completely unstacked, nothing for it when stacked. 42 damage per hit is a fuckton, if you were buying that in ad it would cost 1500 gold.

Wits has a quite large midgame window where it will give you crushing damage for super low cost. The problem is that it has a shitty buildup which negates its earlier power and BOTRK fills its niche a bit later and ends up just straight up better.

It also has to do with slot efficiency and item combo.
If you really need the MR, bulwark is almost infinitely a better choice, that in combo with BotRK has a better mesh of damage + defense than wit end with another item.

But with the new witsend changes, it'll be very strong.


Anywhere I can find the info for the possibly buffed Wit's End?
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
May 31 2013 06:14 GMT
#4343
On May 31 2013 15:09 Brambled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 31 2013 14:52 sob3k wrote:
On May 31 2013 14:25 Scip wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say that Xin relies on AS, given he has 40% attack speed increase from his skills and almost nothing that scales with attack speed.
The problem is that it's cost inefficient ever since the nerf, if you have been seeing it some time after the nerf it's only because people were too lazy to change their item builds.


Wits is most definitely not cost inefficient after nerf, you pay like 350 gold for the magic damage onhit when it is completely unstacked, nothing for it when stacked. 42 damage per hit is a fuckton, if you were buying that in ad it would cost 1500 gold.

Wits has a quite large midgame window where it will give you crushing damage for super low cost. The problem is that it has a shitty buildup which negates its earlier power and BOTRK fills its niche a bit later and ends up just straight up better.

It also has to do with slot efficiency and item combo.
If you really need the MR, bulwark is almost infinitely a better choice, that in combo with BotRK has a better mesh of damage + defense than wit end with another item.

But with the new witsend changes, it'll be very strong.


Anywhere I can find the info for the possibly buffed Wit's End?


http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Emptylord/PBE_Status

Wit's End
Now builds from Recurve Bow + Dagger + Null-Magic Mantle + 700 gold
Total cost increased to 2400g from 2200g.
Attack speed increased to 42% from 40%.
Unique Passive: On-hit you deal 42 bonus magic damage and reduce your target's magic resistance by 5 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.
Unique Passive: On-attack you gain 5 magic resistance for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 06:22:17
May 31 2013 06:22 GMT
#4344
If you're an all AD team it punishes their lack of MR with flat pen and if you're a double mage team it shreds MR for teammates. Odd interaction.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2013 06:30 GMT
#4345
On May 31 2013 15:22 TheLink wrote:
If you're an all AD team it punishes their lack of MR with flat pen and if you're a double mage team it shreds MR for teammates. Odd interaction.

5 autoattacks is quite a big number, especially for melee champs that buy this item. 25mr shred is nice, but it's not that significant.
liftlift > tsm
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 07:28:45
May 31 2013 06:33 GMT
#4346
Since no one has linked it yet:

http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/bigfatlp-talks-about-returning-to-clg-6409093/

Not too sure about this interview. bigfat doesn't really do well with on the spot interviews. Too bad they don't rehearse it a bit beforehand so his responses seem more natural. I'd suspect we'd have much better answers if it were more prepared and with better questions.

Also, if anyone from here ever interviews bigfat, never ask how he feels. It's never a good question. The response has never been great from the question. There must be some sort of trick to try to get a better response out of him
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
May 31 2013 06:35 GMT
#4347
I honestly couldn't understand anything jiji said. The combination of bad audio and him mumbling is too strong for my ears.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
May 31 2013 06:35 GMT
#4348
On May 31 2013 15:35 caelym wrote:
I honestly couldn't understand anything jiji said. The combination of bad audio and him mumbling is too strong for my ears.


Agree, he mumbles a lot, but mostly he's just not interested in the interview too. lol
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 31 2013 06:48 GMT
#4349
On May 31 2013 15:00 Chrispy wrote:
Who the hell is SBS?

He actually used to play on NA as "sbsbsb" with ManyReason, Lilac, and the OG Koreans. He played in OGN in the first season as Team OP's ADC. He kinda fell off after teams got sponsored and started to take the game seriously. Haven't heard from him since.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 31 2013 06:50 GMT
#4350
Oh yeah I think I remember him. Played a bunch of Ashe.
Retvrn to Forvms
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 31 2013 06:50 GMT
#4351
Yeah, that'd be him.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
May 31 2013 07:04 GMT
#4352
I like jiji but please, don't interview him.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2013 07:41 GMT
#4353
Is there a pic or info of which screen ratio gives you the most amount of vision in LoL?
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 07:46:19
May 31 2013 07:45 GMT
#4354
On May 31 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 14:09 Brambled wrote:
So anyone able to explain why Wit's End has gone into a big decline? I used to see it so often but now I haven't seen it lately. Did BotRK push it out of favor?

BotRK+Bulwark > Wit's End with other item combo.

Alternatively, Hexdrinker + Stinger for a more similar set of item effects, particularly now that Stinger actually has a build path that's sensible for previous Wit's users.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 08:08:47
May 31 2013 07:50 GMT
#4355
On May 31 2013 16:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 31 2013 14:09 Brambled wrote:
So anyone able to explain why Wit's End has gone into a big decline? I used to see it so often but now I haven't seen it lately. Did BotRK push it out of favor?

BotRK+Bulwark > Wit's End with other item combo.

Alternatively, Hexdrinker + Stinger for a more similar set of item effects, particularly now that Stinger actually has a build path that's sensible for previous Wit's users.

But no one builds zephyr, except ADC's who are already item cap and switch out their boots for it.
Phreak is now Diamond 1. hue.
liftlift > tsm
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 31 2013 08:08 GMT
#4356
irelia with triforce zephyr is great fun. shrug off all the CC in teamfights and you're megafast.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 31 2013 08:22 GMT
#4357
On May 31 2013 15:35 caelym wrote:
I honestly couldn't understand anything jiji said. The combination of bad audio and him mumbling is too strong for my ears.



Because you don't speak jijitalk.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 31 2013 08:26 GMT
#4358
Jax will love the new Wit's End it seems. I would love to see him have more play competitively.

I think Varus or Tristana could utilize the new Wit's End effefctively in a double AP comp. The new TF with his E change might be able to utilize it as well. But that means you'd have to use it as your defensive item, replace an offensive/AS item, or have 2 defensive items and sacrifice more offense.

Trist might be able to get away with it being her one defensive item because of her W and R though.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 31 2013 08:30 GMT
#4359
On May 31 2013 17:26 JonGalt wrote:
Jax will love the new Wit's End it seems. I would love to see him have more play competitively.

I think Varus or Tristana could utilize the new Wit's End effefctively in a double AP comp. The new TF with his E change might be able to utilize it as well. But that means you'd have to use it as your defensive item, replace an offensive/AS item, or have 2 defensive items and sacrifice more offense.

Trist might be able to get away with it being her one defensive item because of her W and R though.

I dunno if it'll fit Jax too well. I think it's much better on teemo; with liandries.
Proc damage with reduced mr seems very strong; tanky on hit teemo might like it.
liftlift > tsm
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 31 2013 08:31 GMT
#4360
Watching Stvicious trashtalking other pros like that I wondered was there already an incident IRL in NA scene ? Like people fighting ? lol
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