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On May 03 2013 21:15 Shikyo wrote:
Slayer91 that's a pretty bad attitude. Having fun at the expense of someone doesn't mean that the person they're having fun at the expense of does need to endure it. It's like if you're getting bullied by a group of friends who are "having fun" that's okay and you shouldn't care about it making you feel like shit because they're just "having fun". I cannot comprehend how you can think like that.
It was only fun at the expense of him because he viewed it like that. I'm not condoning their attitude since they obviously got really aggressive but I'm not talking to them. I'm saying he got really pissed off and he didn't need to. There was no benefit to getting pissed off and going afk if he can retune his line of thinking to see it as a joke then he could have a good experience. What's more is that flaming is such a widespread thing in this game that a lot of people have a bad time in game because of it, when if they focus on having fun and improving they wouldn't give a shit, and love the game a lot more.
Like, how can it be a shitty attitude? It's a shitty attitude if I do it myself? Sure, but if I have fun when people are flaming like crazy in solo q? That's excellent, because I can have fun in all types of games.
On May 03 2013 21:16 Xayoz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 20:20 Slayer91 wrote:
It started back when I was probably 13-14 and some guy who was acting really high and mighty it seemed to be and was flaming everyone was making me mad. I stuck around playing with him and when I was asking why he was a dick he replied that he wasn't being a dick it was just my insecurities making me mad and if I wasn't insecure I wouldn't think he was a dick at all. I became good friends with him and that line of thinking got into me fast. So when I meet a lot of guys who are like past me and really insecure I try to explain it to them as well. See, I don't get this. Or I sort of do, and it still annoys me to no end. I have indeed met people both irl and online, with that sort of 'sense of humor'. Friends who throw profanities and insults at each other - in a playful manner ofc. I think it is incredibly childish & lowbrow humor - something that no one in my social circle would ever use. Playing along and having a laugh is not an option, because I don't find this one bit funny. Being insecure has little to do with it. While it is perfectly fine to pull this with your actual friends, consider that people who you play soloque with are in fact not your friends and will most likely not appreciate that sort of 'humor'. While some random TV chef might think it's okay and get away with it doesn't mean you can or should.
Yes, I understand people in solo q aren't your friends, I'm not saying I'm a vicious flamer, but I met people who are and once you see the funny part of it you start to enjoy it a lot.
Childish and low-bro humour? Oh excuse me for not having the Queen's sense of humour. The reason you do it is because
a: You can do it without anyone taking it the wrong way when you can't say that sort of shit to random people because some of them will take it too seriously
b: You give the other guy a way to say something funny as an excuse, it creates back and forth chatter and jokes
On May 03 2013 21:29 Osmoses wrote:
Well I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but your sensei was full of shit :p If he needs to flame other people to have a good time that probably says alot more about his own insecurities than anyone else's. And your argument stays the same, that somehow it's the person being attacked who's at fault for not "dealing with it". The problem is the bully, not the one being bullied.
And get off your high horse, zenmaster, "past you" is never further away than a bad day at work. Citing Gordon Ramsay as some kind of evidence to support your cause is pretty weird because he's nothing but a hasbeen reality tv star who's only talent was shouting. He's a shitty boss and an unpleasant person.
I'm not saying we need to hunt down the internet trolls, I'm saying rather than take shit from someone lying down you should give some back. I've never been in a fight in my life but if some random guy starts mouthing off to me for no reason in a bar, yeah, I guess I'd get in a fight. Of course he doesn't know me and whatever he says is probably very uninformed (maybe even tongue in cheek), but thats not what its about. He is purposefully disrespecting me. and I don't think I should have to tolerate that if I have a choice.
Alright this got alot deeper than I really meant to go. Someone was a dick to me on the internet and I was a dick back is basically the gist, but I was kind of taken by surprise that anyone would think to defend internet dicks. I mean, thicker skin and man-up and all that aside, nobody actually thinks the internet dicks aren't the problem in the first place, do they?
No, the problem isn't with him. He has no problems, there are no negative effects of shit talking on the internet. I don't think he was insecure but taking the piss out of something is just a regular thing and getting a bit agressive is just a slide on the scale.
Gordon ramsey was a top chef who became a tv star. I don't see it as a citation, I see it as an example
1: He worked through an enviornment where such aggressive action happened because in restauraunts you are put under pressure by customers and you don't want to lose business and have people complain or give bad reviews, so people lose their temper and this sort of things happen
2: In his show obviously its a bunch of people coming for free food so he simulates the high pressure and puts it on his chefs to see who can take it and it creates good TV.
You don't have to take shit but you don't need to take it seriously. You could be all like "yo I tanked them all and you just cleaned up learn to play baddies!" and shit like that and create some banter. You don't have to of course you can just ignore it and that works too.
I'm not not defending internet dicks I'm attacking people who get offended by them. It's like you should figure out what bothers you about them internally and once you know what it is you can generally resolve it. I only read you can only hate something you have done or thought about doing yourself, because you can't REALLY hate something you don't understand. Maybe it doesn't apply to everyone but personally it speaks truth. I can fucking despise anyone committing animal cruelty but if someones talking about hitler he did far worse shit than anyone who beat their dog but I don't have the same reaction.
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On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today.
I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it.
I blame Europe.
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On May 03 2013 16:59 MooMooMugi wrote:
After trying out Quinn this week I have concluded she is a very enjoyable AD carry, not the best steroids but absolutely destructive in 1v1 situations and great escape method with ult
I don't think she's OP yet, but I think this patch was a nice example of Riot mixing up "needs bug fixes" with "needs a shit ton of buffs". She needed a fix on her Vault to stop her from getting stunned/flung/etc, but I think the interrupt is a bit too much utility added on top of already having a blind, slow, vision, and now a sprint.
She's not nuking teams like a Varus or Vayne, but she's probably the best 1v1 or 2v2 AD in the game now, by far. Time will tell if it was too much.
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Im not saying anyone is 'allowed' to AFK in games , Im just saying not everyone that goes AFK does it because they are just trying to be morons. Theres more behind it
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On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe.
This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen.
Meanwhile like 5 pages ago:
On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G
On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue
On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster.
Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening.
I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all.
Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr:
"There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!"
+ Show Spoiler [video here] +
It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier.
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On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:
Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening.
I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all.
Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr:
"There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy twats. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!"
It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier.
the nazis didn't think that what they did what was wrong: see what arendt wrote. Doesn't mean it's not bad.
(yes it's a godwin point, but a good one imo :D)
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This is the problem. You seem to think I'm saying the dudes flaming you were perfectly respectable citizens. I'm saying you don't need to have a problem with them, and let some other dude have his game ruined by them and you can have a good time if you want to. And since you will inevitably encounter more of such flamers it's good to figure out in your brain how not to be bothered by it so you don't get pissed off all the time and have your games ruined.
As in you say "blah blah blah dicks I afk'd on them and felt good"
I say: "they're only dicks if you see it that way, you can have fun with them"
your interpretation "they're not dicks you're a dick"
I have lots of possible offensive retorts to that but since I know you're not into that shit I'll stop here :D
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On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier.
I was more talking about this:
+ Show Spoiler [Casual racism] +On May 03 2013 22:10 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 17:59 Lmui wrote:... ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/d1539cfb6b5cb85e3182d1416428c26a/tumblr_mm3sahByWn1qltusbo1_500.png) This picture gives a little bit of a different meaning to the icon you choose... So if you're Asian you pick Avarosa. If you're white you pick Claws If you're black you pick Frostguard?
If you want to talk about the other thing, I'm on the side of not being an asshole. Everyone could be less sensitive, but better than that is no one being an asshole. Not sure how's that's even an argument.
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On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier.
There's no reason to be arguing with this guy, though. He raged and afked and thought he was justified. Everyone realizes it's a douche move, he's probably a toxic player, and ignored him. Why do we still need to be talking about it 3 pages later?
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On May 03 2013 22:40 Slayer91 wrote:
This is the problem. You seem to think I'm saying the dudes flaming you were perfectly respectable citizens. I'm saying you don't need to have a problem with them, and let some other dude have his game ruined by them and you can have a good time if you want to. And since you will inevitably encounter more of such flamers it's good to figure out in your brain how not to be bothered by it so you don't get pissed off all the time and have your games ruined.
there is a difference between being bothered by them and thinking they're retard that should get taught a lesson if that happened irl.
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If you think they're a retard and should get taught a lesson and I don't then you're personally bothered by them.
On May 03 2013 22:42 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier. There's no reason to be arguing with this guy, though. He raged and afked and thought he was justified. Everyone realizes it's a douche move, he's probably a toxic player, and ignored him. Why do we still need to be talking about it 3 pages later?
I'm not arguing with him. This is the confrontational thing that outlaw got REALLY mad at me for. (he thought I hated him because I'd make fun of some of his statements, and since he never made fun of me he didnt hink he deserved it) I'm arguing against his point of view. Since his point of view is relevant to a huge % of the LoL playerbase I figure I should post the discussion and hope people think more about getting really mad when they get flamed in games.
On May 03 2013 22:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier. I was more talking about this: + Show Spoiler [Casual racism] +On May 03 2013 22:10 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 17:59 Lmui wrote:... This picture gives a little bit of a different meaning to the icon you choose... So if you're Asian you pick Avarosa. If you're white you pick Claws If you're black you pick Frostguard? If you want to talk about the other thing, I'm on the side of not being an asshole. Everyone could be less sensitive, but better than that is no one being an asshole. Not sure how's that's even an argument.
If everyones sensitive about everything we can't make any jokes at all. That's silly. I thought what you see as casual racism I see as a good joke.
If you WERE a racist it wouldn't be funny because something is only funny if you don't expect the result. Since none of us are real racists we don't expect the "black guys like ass whites like boobs" stereotype joke. Getting offended on BEHALF of someone who MIGHT get offended is a silly thing to do. I guarantee you nobody got offended by that joke.
If you really think jokes like that spread racism or make racists thing its an okay thing to do then that blows my mind. In fact the internet is a great thing for this because the greater exposure we see to all types of people the less racist you get. It's the community of inbreds who haven't spread away a 50 mile radius in 200 years that are the real racists.
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On May 03 2013 22:45 Slayer91 wrote:If you think they're a retard and should get taught a lesson and I don't then you're personally bothered by them. Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:42 Requizen wrote:On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier. There's no reason to be arguing with this guy, though. He raged and afked and thought he was justified. Everyone realizes it's a douche move, he's probably a toxic player, and ignored him. Why do we still need to be talking about it 3 pages later? I'm not arguing with him. This is the confrontational thing that outlaw got REALLY mad at me for. (he thought I hated him because I'd make fun of some of his statements, and since he never made fun of me he didnt hink he deserved it) I'm arguing against his point of view. Since his point of view is relevant to a huge % of the LoL playerbase I figure I should post the discussion and hope people think more about getting really mad when they get flamed in games.
i'm not bothered by idiots online, cause i can't do shit about them and there is a wonderful ignore button (god the same irl would be perfect). Doesn't prevent me to judge ppl since it's what humans do everywhere all the time.
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If you ignore them it means you are bothered, if you were'nt you wouldn't care what they say. And you're implying you'd get into a fight with them IRL meaning you are definitely bothered by them, since very few things get people angry enough to get into a fight.
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"I'm not not defending internet dicks I'm attacking people who get offended by them. It's like you should figure out what bothers you about them internally and once you know what it is you can generally resolve it. I only read you can only hate something you have done or thought about doing yourself, because you can't REALLY hate something you don't understand. Maybe it doesn't apply to everyone but personally it speaks truth. I can fucking despise anyone committing animal cruelty but if someones talking about hitler he did far worse shit than anyone who beat their dog but I don't have the same reaction."
You don't just decide to not get offended by things. You will get offended, you can just pretend to not get offended. On the outside you can not show it, but it will still happen on the inside even if you make you yourself believe otherwise(depends on the person naturally). This kind of an attitude is very dangerous and leads into people snapping. This might or might not be the case on the internet, but if something really annoys you and you laugh it off again and again, eventually you really might be unable to and then you break your mouse or whatever. Of course the extreme forms can lead into school shootings etc.
Ignoring them might not mean you're bothered by them, it helps so that you aren't always reading stupid things said in the chat so that you can concentrate on the actual game.
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Wow, we really went to 'you're only a racist if you think it's racist'?
I'll have 10$ on you being white and straight.
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Lol I was so far behind in this thread and forgot to update before replying..
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On May 03 2013 22:51 Shikyo wrote:
"I'm not not defending internet dicks I'm attacking people who get offended by them. It's like you should figure out what bothers you about them internally and once you know what it is you can generally resolve it. I only read you can only hate something you have done or thought about doing yourself, because you can't REALLY hate something you don't understand. Maybe it doesn't apply to everyone but personally it speaks truth. I can fucking despise anyone committing animal cruelty but if someones talking about hitler he did far worse shit than anyone who beat their dog but I don't have the same reaction."
You don't just decide to not get offended by things. You will get offended, you can just pretend to not get offended. On the outside you can not show it, but it will still happen on the inside even if you make you yourself believe otherwise(depends on the person naturally). This kind of an attitude is very dangerous and leads into people snapping. This might or might not be the case on the internet, but if something really annoys you and you laugh it off again and again, eventually you really might be unable to and then you break your mouse or whatever. Of course the extreme forms can lead into school shootings etc.
Ignoring them might not mean you're bothered by them, it helps so that you aren't always reading stupid things said in the chat so that you can concentrate on the actual game.
That's not true. I've been pissed off at people before and I always remembered that quote about not hating things you can't understand and then thought further about why I was really mad at him since I was friends with him before and then I figured out he was being cocky and I was pissed because I'm a pretty cocky guy and once I realized that I wasn't mad anymore. Because I would be a hypocrite for getting mad so I just accepted it. (something like that, my memory isn't that good wolol)
I use the same mentality for flamers. I'm like "shit I'm relaly tempted to say things like that to my jungler when I'm jungling, and I understand where he's coming from, so I'll let it slide and do my best"
And this isn't me saying oh look I'm so amazing. This is just saying that anyone can change their emotions because its a part of your thought process so if you can learn anything you can also change your emotional reaction to something.
On May 03 2013 22:53 Serelitz wrote:
Wow, we really went to 'you're only a racist if you think it's racist'?
I'll have 10$ on you being white and straight.
Okay, that was pretty retarded. I can imagine racists laughing at more offensive jokes. But I don't think it spreads racism or somehow makes racists feel accepted. I kinda feel like you're already a racist and you don't become a racist because you read some joke about black guys having large penises.
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On May 03 2013 22:45 Slayer91 wrote:If you think they're a retard and should get taught a lesson and I don't then you're personally bothered by them. Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:42 Requizen wrote:On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier. There's no reason to be arguing with this guy, though. He raged and afked and thought he was justified. Everyone realizes it's a douche move, he's probably a toxic player, and ignored him. Why do we still need to be talking about it 3 pages later? I'm not arguing with him. This is the confrontational thing that outlaw got REALLY mad at me for. (he thought I hated him because I'd make fun of some of his statements, and since he never made fun of me he didnt hink he deserved it) I'm arguing against his point of view. Since his point of view is relevant to a huge % of the LoL playerbase I figure I should post the discussion and hope people think more about getting really mad when they get flamed in games. Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 03 2013 22:27 Slayer91 wrote:On May 03 2013 22:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 03 2013 22:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, we might be hitting new lows today. I feel like it's always when I wake up, the GD conversation is so far from where we left it. I blame Europe. This is an issue that effects the entire LoL population and people consider the worst thing about the game and its easily solvable by people relaxing and by not having an intense emotional reaction to some words on a screen. Meanwhile like 5 pages ago: On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G On May 03 2013 12:09 Requizen wrote:
Why didn't you guys tell me Mao was free wins in solo queue On May 03 2013 12:18 Disengaged wrote:On May 03 2013 12:09 BlackPaladin wrote:
Now I understand why xj9 so emo: he really is emo.
Has the emo hair/dress and everything. G_G Hes also a ghoster. Fascinating shit guys, why can't we have stuff like this in GD all day its so enlightening. I mean I have my fair share of 1-liners but everytime I get into a real discussion about anything everyone gets so uncomfortable because theres confrontation and that is a problem similar to the way everyone has a problem with flamers. There's no problem with confrontation, its the socratic method after all. Actually there's a great joke I forgot about. It's from Jimmy Carr: "There's a big problem with bullying in schools. We can't stop the bullies, we tried that, so the best way is to stop the people being bullied from being such faggy dicks. And the best way for that to happen is, bullying!" + Show Spoiler [video here] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGNyLu8bBg It's a joke, but it's from the perspective of the bully. Everything is about perspective, the bullys aren't evil people, they don't think what they are doing is wrong. That's not to say its a bad thing but if you can't help them you can only help yourself, which is why I'm saying instead of being pissed off at every flamer or trying to make a campaign to get flamers banned if you find a way to not have a problem with them suddenly your LoL life becomes much easier. I was more talking about this: + Show Spoiler [Casual racism] +On May 03 2013 22:10 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 17:59 Lmui wrote:... This picture gives a little bit of a different meaning to the icon you choose... So if you're Asian you pick Avarosa. If you're white you pick Claws If you're black you pick Frostguard? If you want to talk about the other thing, I'm on the side of not being an asshole. Everyone could be less sensitive, but better than that is no one being an asshole. Not sure how's that's even an argument. If everyones sensitive about everything we can't make any jokes at all. That's silly. I thought what you see as casual racism I see as a good joke. If you WERE a racist it wouldn't be funny because something is only funny if you don't expect the result. Since none of us are real racists we don't expect the "black guys like ass whites like boobs" stereotype joke. Getting offended on BEHALF of someone who MIGHT get offended is a silly thing to do. I guarantee you nobody got offended by that joke.
No, it's important to be sensitive about the right things. I agree that LoL is not one of them, so you're right in that people should try to change their mindset to worry less about what other players say because it's incredibly meaningless. However, if people take an averse reaction to the words and thoughts of their teammates, they're well within their rights to want a healthier playing environment where people stop acting like dicks for no reason. Because even if you shouldn't be angry about it, those people are still dicks. If you wouldn't gang up and mock a stranger in real life, you shouldn't do it online because people are still people. It just helps that the stranger in question has the ability to ignore them if they want.
And since it comes down to a matter of perspective, that's probably why this argument is going nowhere and why some people are bored with it.
As far as the picture goes, I'm offended because A) it's not funny and B) racism is racism. So I guess your last point is wrong.
Edit: And to a later point of yours, these are the kinds of things that perpetuate racism, but if you want me to explain that to you, I can do it outside of GD because, again, this is going nowhere.
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Wait why is Quinn apart of the Frejlord sale?
"Wings of Demacia". Don't see anything in her lore that mentions Frejlord either.
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Quinn had that whole lore journal for Lissandra's reveal.
Not like anyone buys Quinn anyway really.
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