[Patch 3.06: Lissandra Patch] General Discussion - Page 56

On May 03 2013 23:34 OutlaW- wrote:
If you're going to buy thresh, do it soon before he gets gutted

On May 03 2013 23:15 Juicyfruit wrote:
I've taken a roguelike approach to playing LoL. It's like playing FTL or XCom - you can get lucky and get free weapons/good teammates or you get fucked by the RNG and get aliens/morons. Either way you still try to achieve the best outcome given your circumstances but don't play with the expectation of being able to win.

On May 03 2013 23:59 Osmoses wrote:
This thread sure moves fast, I focus on work four like an hour and a half and the discussion I started/derailed is basically over. I usually wake up to about 300 new posts, impossible to follow. In closing, basically my mute hasn't worked in months. I've tried all possible variations, like [/mute playername], [/mute @championname], [/ignore <riotplzfix>], everything. It used to be even [/ignore all] failed, I just got a long list of players who APPARENTLY weren't even in the game. That, at least, works now, but it's not really practical. I can ignore everyone or no-one. I've reinstalled my client, doesn't help.

Aynway. Far as I'm concerned Quinn sucks. Perhaps not in terms of results but really boring to play.

Really well-laid out suggestions - thanks for taking the time to propose this in-depth.

Let me clear up one thing, though - there's no world in which we make an old champion with a schizo kit into two complete champions. This is really about resource allocation usage and efficiency, as it obviously takes 2x the work to make 2x the champions, and whenever we're doing one thing, we're not doing another thing (and there's lots to be done!) Sion being reworked faithfully is not worth another rework not coming out, another champion who brings something new, or any myriad of other fixes we could be doing.

Additionally, and while I understand very well the attachment people can have to a champion, I think retaining Sion faithfully is exactly what I don't want to do. "Why?!" you may ask!

Sion's AD kit has some bare-bones tools that can apply well to a lifesteal guy, but those could use updating as well (AS on this guy...hmmmmm), but importantly, the AP kit has little-to-no counter play or interaction at all. There's something to be said about the shield being interesting, but I think it's bad when combined with a single target stun and as a burst nuke overall. Additionally, he's basically a creative mess - a Zombie Axe guy that casts spells and does an assortment of disjointed things with old Arnold movie quotes. The only reason to even consider that is for legacy - which has value - but not enough on its own in many cases.

In this case, unlike someone like Urgot who is just niche, Sion is a low attachment character with low counterplay, interaction, and no creative hooks. What I do think could be interesting about Sion isn't his kit, but the idea behind him - a massive, unmovable undead lifesteal tank. That has legs (heh) and can really be developed into a resurgence/HP Steal character befitting of the idea, and it gives us lots of opportunities with the art.

Thought I'd just update our direction here so you guys could see our thinking and there can be discussion. I know there will be people attached to original Sion, but in this case (and this is not by any means a default stance for me), I think it has to play second stage to making the character something not-bad.

On May 03 2013 23:59 Osmoses wrote:
This thread sure moves fast, I focus on work four like an hour and a half and the discussion I started/derailed is basically over. I usually wake up to about 300 new posts, impossible to follow. In closing, basically my mute hasn't worked in months. I've tried all possible variations, like [/mute playername], [/mute @championname], [/ignore <riotplzfix>], everything. It used to be even [/ignore all] failed, I just got a long list of players who APPARENTLY weren't even in the game. That, at least, works now, but it's not really practical. I can ignore everyone or no-one. I've reinstalled my client, doesn't help.

Aynway. Far as I'm concerned Quinn sucks. Perhaps not in terms of results but really boring to play.

On May 04 2013 00:27 Ketara wrote:
Yeah, because it looks stupid and playing against it is not any fun.

On May 04 2013 00:33 Alaric wrote:

Playing as him is super boring too. One of the most boring champs I've had, if not the (even Lux in ARAMs was more distracting).

On May 04 2013 00:53 HPoirot wrote:
Knew AP Sion was going to get killed, but it still makes me sad. No comparable champion, and Morello pretty much confirms that a skill like W will never exist in LoL again. Sigh.



If you aren't having fun playing as AP Sion, you have a strange definition of fun. You run at people with Boots 5, activate your W (triggering the most satisfying sound effect in LoL), Q them, hit them a few times, and then blow your shield up and them with it. Speed, explosions, tons of damage. What isn't fun about that?

And if we're going by the not fun to play against metric as reason to destroy a champion can we please remove Elise, Nidalee, Jayce, Shaco, Caitlyn, Diana, Twisted Fate, Anivia, Thresh, etc etc?

On May 04 2013 00:56 Nobu wrote:


How is TF not fun to play?