[Patch 3.06: Lissandra Patch] General Discussion - Page 58

On May 04 2013 00:53 HPoirot wrote:


If you aren't having fun playing as AP Sion, you have a strange definition of fun. You run at people with Boots 5, activate your W (triggering the most satisfying sound effect in LoL), Q them, hit them a few times, and then blow your shield up and them with it. Speed, explosions, tons of damage. What isn't fun about that?

On May 04 2013 02:36 BlackPaladin wrote:
I remember the days when soniv would feed on janna support ("shut up guys i want to learn support") and solo top singed. Those were the days. The glory days. The golden days. Aka Soniv was still gold.

On May 04 2013 02:51 Alaric wrote:

Play Sion. Press W. Run to them. Press Q. Press W again. And... it kinda sums up the whole game. He is extremely stale.
Even worse, he's extremely binary: moreso than an assassin who still has nuances between "does 100% of target's HP" and "doesn't", Sion either blows his shield, or gets it blown up. When you're laning against him, there's not even counterplay: he has no skillshots, relies on a hard cc rather than timing for his shield so you can't flash out of the explosion then use a gap closer to get back to him once he's defenseless or something.

The champs that I play that don't have skillshots are either weak in early laning (Irelia, Jax), rely on long, abusable cooldowns (Irelia, Olaf's trading can be outplayed by exploiting his W and E cooldowns, and especially ult) or, while they pressure you to make plays early on because they fall off, they don't become as utterly useless as Sion (Maokai, Pantheon have to sidestep their role as the game goes late, but they don't become ignorable).


TL;DR: I hate mages with enough range and waveclear that my mid champion pool has to punish them super hard early on or be unable to outfarm/roam them while not scaling as well. You could say the actual cause is that I'm bad and too stubborn to pick champs I dislike regardless of how strong/OP they are atm.

And I have no fun playing against excessively good farmers with huge-ass range like Lux and TF (Anivia doesn't have that big a range, but her ult zones a bunch of distance and prevents any spells under 700 range without losing the trade anyway) because it doesn't matter if I can beat them/pressure them, unless I destroy and zone them so hard that they don't have the AP to instaclear, their worst case is "play pussy and ride on your easy farming and comfortable scaling". Plus you know if you try to clear and roam, they'll still be able to clear the wave and be there before you. They have to be really behind, to be utterly crushed by the champs I play, so that clearing take them long enough that I can roam and actually force them to choose between farm and follow (Viktor, Ryze have a hard time killing them outside of a gank, Cass and Swain can get kills but after their first back it's hard to reach them due to range, Talon can do that "crushing" part but I don't play him enough, plus he falls off almost as hard as Viktor).
Though this part is arguably due to said champion pool, and I could just as well buy Zed, Kha'Zix, Ahri or Diana I guess.


He still plays Singed. And feeds because he can't handle how fast all that MS sends him into the enemy jungle.

On May 04 2013 03:01 Slayer91 wrote:
Tell us something you don't hate alaric.
kittens?
inb4 5 paragraph post about why kittens ruin his LoL experience by running over the keyboard and making him miss cs and its riots fault for random creep ai

On May 04 2013 03:13 Alaric wrote:
But doesn't that mean that I can't hate something unless I understand it? In that case I'm only making myself a very knowledgeable fellow, and it's all about becoming a better person.

On May 04 2013 03:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
I love playing the Murderbug, I think that makes me a bad person.

On May 04 2013 03:16 Slayer91 wrote:


It means you understand what its to be on the winning side of a match up (im sure it happens some time!)
it doesnt mean you're developing a better understanding of the issue by hating it because you can't think of a good counterplay.
However I do find writing about something is a good way to think about it which leads to the "delete half your posts mid-writing" syndrome. (we know who we are)

On May 04 2013 03:15 Juicyfruit wrote:
They need to give up the lifesteal aspect of Sion if they want the remake to have any chance of working at all.

On May 04 2013 03:16 Slayer91 wrote:


It means you understand what its to be on the winning side of a match up (im sure it happens some time!)
it doesnt mean you're developing a better understanding of the issue by hating it because you can't think of a good counterplay.
However I do find writing about something is a good way to think about it which leads to the "delete half your posts mid-writing" syndrome. (we know who we are)

On May 04 2013 03:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
Somewhat good news, Solcrushed commented on the state of Viktor and said if there are any changes it would most likely be to his Cores and his base skills would remain very similar.