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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 03 2013 16:07 GMT
#1121
On May 04 2013 01:04 Ketara wrote:
TF is super fun to play against. Difficult to play against doesn't mean not fun.

There's no challenge to playing against AP Sion. When he charges at you you either burst down his shield or you don't. If you can't you get farther and farther behind. If you can you get farther and farther ahead. There's no tricks or finesse to it, it's just a numbers war. That's not fun.

He's got no skillshots, he's autoattacky as all hell, no long cooldowns to manipulate, how is he fun?

Yeah, a bit like TF. Except you can't ward against TF. You can't play agressively against TF. You can't take a 3v2 against TF.
Very fun champion indeed.
The legend of Darien lives on
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
May 03 2013 16:10 GMT
#1122
On May 03 2013 17:21 cascades wrote:
Anyone knows link of streams to chinese players like pdd and korean players like expession?


Bumpy.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 03 2013 16:11 GMT
#1123
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 16:13:48
May 03 2013 16:12 GMT
#1124
On May 04 2013 01:07 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:04 Ketara wrote:
TF is super fun to play against. Difficult to play against doesn't mean not fun.

There's no challenge to playing against AP Sion. When he charges at you you either burst down his shield or you don't. If you can't you get farther and farther behind. If you can you get farther and farther ahead. There's no tricks or finesse to it, it's just a numbers war. That's not fun.

He's got no skillshots, he's autoattacky as all hell, no long cooldowns to manipulate, how is he fun?

Yeah, a bit like TF. Except you can't ward against TF. You can't play agressively against TF. You can't take a 3v2 against TF.
Very fun champion indeed.


TF is my most hated champ in the game. Either he sucks and cant ap to clear wave and you are playing 4v5, or he somehow dominates and every lane is 2v1 and 3v2. Basically, the entire game revolves around TF and his mid counterpart (and the junglers). Not cool.

HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 03 2013 16:14 GMT
#1125
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 03 2013 16:20 GMT
#1126
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.

lol.
I rarely see that but I can't even count how many times a Shen shield shows up bottom lane without the Shen.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 16:25:30
May 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#1127
On May 04 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.

lol.
I rarely see that but I can't even count how many times a Shen shield shows up bottom lane without the Shen.


Yeah, it's tough to catch a TF in the act because his port is fast and he'll often have to run into the jungle or down the river a bit to port. But if you're proactive about it and have enough wards/foresight to catch him, it's a very satisfying feeling.

On another note - my girlfriend will be away for the weekend, which means I'm gonna probably stream most of the day tomorrow. So pumped, haven't gotten a whole day free for gaming in a while =D
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
HOOG
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada52 Posts
May 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#1128
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.


I don't know about that, throwing Fizz's fish friend on an ulting Shen is pretty fantastic! KS from across the map !
1250 ELO too stronk!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#1129
On May 04 2013 01:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.

lol.
I rarely see that but I can't even count how many times a Shen shield shows up bottom lane without the Shen.


Yeah, it's tough to catch a TF in the act because his port is fast and he'll often have to run into the jungle or down the river a bit to port. But if you're proactive about it and have enough wards/foresight to catch him, it's a very satisfying feeling.

On another note - my girlfriend will be away for the weekend, which means I'm gonna probably stream most of the day tomorrow. So pumped, haven't gotten a whole day free for gaming in a while =D


Do a "How to Escape ELO Hell Day" because that's the most popular thing ever.

+ Show Spoiler +
tl;dr carry me pls
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 16:44:58
May 03 2013 16:28 GMT
#1130
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.


no way, the best is cockblocking a Karthus when they are about to like triple kill your bot lane and jungle with ult and are drooling in anticipation mashing the R key.

I had a glorious play on LB once where I flash, dash, mimic dashed like three fucking screens through the turret mid lane and silenced some hapless karthus about to slay our top and jungle.

plus the laser starts to come down and then dissapears, so everyone knows you just heroically saved their ass.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 16:32:30
May 03 2013 16:31 GMT
#1131
On May 04 2013 01:27 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 01:11 Ketara wrote:
TF is fun to play because you have to manage the pick a card minigame and have ridiculous map awareness, as well as a fairly oddball skillshot.

He's fun to play against because you have to keep track of the cooldown on his ultimate very carefully, can cancel it if you're in the right place at the right time, have to dodge his skillshots, and also have to keep track of his pick a card minigame because you can win trades with him while it's on cooldown.

They're completely different, trying to compare them is just straight up trolling, IMO.


There is no better feeling in the world than flash Tibbers on a porting TF.

He kinda just stands there for a sec wondering why he didn't show up in bot lane.

lol.
I rarely see that but I can't even count how many times a Shen shield shows up bottom lane without the Shen.


Yeah, it's tough to catch a TF in the act because his port is fast and he'll often have to run into the jungle or down the river a bit to port. But if you're proactive about it and have enough wards/foresight to catch him, it's a very satisfying feeling.

On another note - my girlfriend will be away for the weekend, which means I'm gonna probably stream most of the day tomorrow. So pumped, haven't gotten a whole day free for gaming in a while =D


Do a "How to Escape ELO Hell Day" because that's the most popular thing ever.

+ Show Spoiler +
tl;dr carry me pls


But...I've already escaped elo hell. I'm striving to escape diamond hell now.

edit: Yeah sobek, those plays feel awesome.

I just love mid lane, it feels like there are so many options of play and so many different great things you can do that you don't really get in other lanes as often.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 03 2013 16:48 GMT
#1132
Soniv too terrible to carry. We should do a Soniv and Wave stream day where I annoy the fuck out of you and everyone laughs.

Except I can't ditch my wife and the guy for a weekend unlike you, you terrible boyfriend.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 03 2013 17:00 GMT
#1133
On May 04 2013 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv too terrible to carry. We should do a Soniv and Wave stream day where I annoy the fuck out of you and everyone laughs.

Except I can't ditch my wife and the guy for a weekend unlike you, you terrible boyfriend.


You teaching ShadowOfWave to play Viktor yet?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 03 2013 17:20 GMT
#1134
I want to help annoy Soniv while he streams.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2013 17:25 GMT
#1135
On May 04 2013 01:07 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 01:04 Ketara wrote:
TF is super fun to play against. Difficult to play against doesn't mean not fun.

There's no challenge to playing against AP Sion. When he charges at you you either burst down his shield or you don't. If you can't you get farther and farther behind. If you can you get farther and farther ahead. There's no tricks or finesse to it, it's just a numbers war. That's not fun.

He's got no skillshots, he's autoattacky as all hell, no long cooldowns to manipulate, how is he fun?

Yeah, a bit like TF. Except you can't ward against TF. You can't play agressively against TF. You can't take a 3v2 against TF.
Very fun champion indeed.

You just sound mad that TF is a strong champ.

In terms of playing against him, TF is a far more positioning-reliant champ and has a lot more room to punish his errors/counterplay.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 18:48:03
May 03 2013 17:29 GMT
#1136
I bet Sion's ult gets gutted XD. Duration reduced to 8ish seconds. %Lifesteal removed. Heals for a flat amount instead based off of max HP. Only works for X hits.

AD Sion is freaking OP when he gets fed. He would be literally unduelable if you removed thornmail from the game. Good ganks. Just no way to get places and he has to build pretty squishy.

AP Sion was fun too but he falls off so fast even when fed. Too bad they're going to remove him.

I'm fine with the remake but I feel like they're going to reduce his strengths, buffing his weaknesses, and making him more ordinary.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2013 17:35 GMT
#1137
On May 04 2013 02:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'm fine with the remake but I feel like they're going to reduce his strengths, buffing his weaknesses, and making him more ordinary.

Basically describes every rework ever.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 03 2013 17:36 GMT
#1138
I remember the days when soniv would feed on janna support ("shut up guys i want to learn support") and solo top singed. Those were the days. The glory days. The golden days. Aka Soniv was still gold.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23394 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 17:40:53
May 03 2013 17:40 GMT
#1139
On May 04 2013 02:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 02:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'm fine with the remake but I feel like they're going to reduce his strengths, buffing his weaknesses, and making him more ordinary.

Basically describes every rework ever.


Real, trundle's strengths got buffed (ult) and his weaknesses got nerfed (w tenacity, pillar sucks at early levels already and now its less duration)
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 03 2013 17:44 GMT
#1140
2 years later and they finally listen to me...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=475138
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