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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:56 Slayer91 wrote: Q's proc iceborn sheen proc as well as the muramana active i know, but getting there is my problem, it feels like i waste ezreal's early game with shit like tear and all these items are garbage before they are fully finished, so if my team falls a bit behind im done for. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:54 Artok wrote: Are there any vod's of tpa or smth doing muramasa/iceborn gauntlet ezreal stuff, i just cant figure out whats so strong about it. You have an 1100 range AoE slow that does significant damage to the first target you hit. You can kite entire teams with that build, the IBG procs can set up really easy skill shots for your mage, IBG procs work as both an aid to help your team initiate fights and helps disengage bad fights. Ezreal with that build does less damage than a standard build but with that build Ezreal becomes this super annoying utility bot. edit: You don't want to fight that much early game unless the fight is significantly favored for you. Like if your jungler comes to gank bot while the enemy jungler is ganking mid/top. You mostly just farm up and only fight the enemy if they make a huge blunder. Generally you rush tear and then go into a damage item before rushing IBG (BT is a good choice but it delays your IBG a lot, some people were going Elder Lizard so you can have true damage poke and true damage IBG AoE but I haven't done Elder Lizard ever so I can't tell you if it's good). edit2: I also don't really like that build. I think Ezreal is still fine going BT->Trinity->LW->w/e. I'd rather just play an ADC when I'm playing the ADC role. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:01 overt wrote: You have an 1100 range AoE slow that does significant damage to the first target you hit. You can kite entire teams with that build, the IBG procs can set up really easy skill shots for your mage, IBG procs work as both an aid to help your team initiate fights and helps disengage bad fights. Ezreal with that build does less damage than a standard build but with that build Ezreal becomes this super annoying utility bot. like i said, its all cool and stuff when you get 3 items, but before that i feel so useless and behind, not to mention that getting tear before i get fed just murders the lane for me >.< | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On May 04 2013 04:42 Ketara wrote: The change to the "clamping" issue with league points is really hilarious. I go from +3LP per win and -10~15 per loss to +5 per win and -3 per loss. Wish that change had been made 3 months ago. Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:02 Artok wrote: like i said, its all cool and stuff when you get 3 items, but before that i feel so useless and behind, not to mention that getting tear before i get fed just murders the lane for me >.< That's why the people who run it generally only do when you're ahead. Getting them early with a lead allows you to utilize your poke and utility to further zone out enemies and set up fights so you end up further ahead. If you're behind, going for this build basically means you're doing no damage though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:03 thenexusp wrote: Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what) League players are too impatient for asymptotes ;P It's always entertained me that lim (n -> infinity) where n = num games played on the LP curve = your true elo. I just like thinking about it that way cuz I'm weird like that haha. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:05 Requizen wrote: That's why the people who run it generally only do when you're ahead. Getting them early with a lead allows you to utilize your poke and utility to further zone out enemies and set up fights so you end up further ahead. If you're behind, going for this build basically means you're doing no damage though. you get tear on first back, theres no way to tell how is game going to go at that time, it just feels such a gamble build, dunno, thats why i wanted to see some tourney games of it. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:05 Requizen wrote: That's why the people who run it generally only do when you're ahead. Getting them early with a lead allows you to utilize your poke and utility to further zone out enemies and set up fights so you end up further ahead. If you're behind, going for this build basically means you're doing no damage though. The problem is that doing that build means you're rushing tear, since buying tear late is usually stupid. Once you've invested into tear you're kind of stuck on that build. I don't think tear is really necessary though and I think you could just build standard ADC stuff and then pick up an IBG later on if you really want that utility (Ez doesn't have mana issues, especially if you're adding all that mana from IBG, you'd just have to make sure you don't buy a Trinity Force if you think there's any chance of you going IBG at some point). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: League players are too impatient for asymptotes ;P It's always entertained me that lim (n -> infinity) where n = num games played on the LP curve = your true elo. I just like thinking about it that way cuz I'm weird like that haha. How is thinking about things in the correct way weird wtf. YOUR ELO IS WHATEVER JESUS THINKS IT SHOULD BE PRAY TO GOD EVERY NIGHT FOR HIM TO RAISE YOUR ELO OR PRAY TO FROGGEN WHATEVER WORKS It converges to your true elo a LOT faster than people think it does though. but it will fluctuate a certain amount until you reach infinity however people think true elo is some kind of thing you're born with when you can very easily improve even if its just playing your best champions | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:21 Slayer91 wrote: How is thinking about things in the correct way weird wtf. YOUR ELO IS WHATEVER JESUS THINKS IT SHOULD BE PRAY TO GOD EVERY NIGHT FOR HIM TO RAISE YOUR ELO OR PRAY TO FROGGEN WHATEVER WORKS It converges to your true elo a LOT faster than people think it does though. but it will fluctuate a certain amount until you reach infinity however people think true elo is some kind of thing you're born with when you can very easily improve even if its just playing your best champions nonono I mean I feel like it's weird cuz I legitimately see it in my head as a function converging to an asymptote (a constantly moving asymptote, but not all functions converge to fixed points anyway) sry Neo, didn't mean to perpetuate an elo discussion. spare me | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:17 cLutZ wrote: Why is Utility Ez never run Mid? I've seen Tear/IBG Ez Top before, but I could see it working Mid. I like it was better than ADC Ez with that build. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: nonono I mean I feel like it's weird cuz I legitimately see it in my head as a function converging to an asymptote (a constantly moving asymptote, but not all functions converge to fixed points anyway) sry Neo, didn't mean to perpetuate an elo discussion. spare me I'm in elo hell because my team keeps picking tanks instead of bruisers. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: nonono I mean I feel like it's weird cuz I legitimately see it in my head as a function converging to an asymptote (a constantly moving asymptote, but not all functions converge to fixed points anyway) sry Neo, didn't mean to perpetuate an elo discussion. spare me doesnt matter just means you're more visually minded some guys like to imagine functions in their head before doing problems to get an idea of what to expect while others might be inclined to just work it all purely in written form | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:03 thenexusp wrote: Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what) Because it feels better. Also yes, I can almost guarantee that based on the last few months of my ranked games, if that change had been in earlier I'd have the same MMR but be 1 division higher. Or tier? Rank? What do we call the 5-4-3-2-1's? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:26 Requizen wrote: I'm in elo hell because my team keeps picking tanks instead of bruisers. Haha subtle. Nicely done. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:17 cLutZ wrote: Why is Utility Ez never run Mid? Its the only mana/utility Ez that makes sense because he doesn't need to be able to 2v2 before all his items are done(which he's unable to do unless way fed). I personally have no clue why people run it bot. You can stack tear pretty fast, for example in an ARAM my Jayce stacked it by 12 minutes and Ezreal can do the same especially if he gets a blue. . | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
urgots often used here but he's more of a front line guy has much less range to poke with | ||
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