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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 03 2013 20:33 GMT
#1201
On May 04 2013 05:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I feel like it's more done when you don't really need a proper ad carry (maybe he won't be able to auto attack much anyway) but there's nobody else thats not an ad carry that lanes well botlane or at least that your ad player has practiced
urgots often used here but he's more of a front line guy has much less range to poke with

Then I don't see why you wouldn't pick something like Wukong for botlane where you can legitly and easily go like 10-0 early instead of some utility Ez that basically guarantees that the enemy AD gets farmed.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 03 2013 20:33 GMT
#1202
On May 04 2013 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:26 Requizen wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:21 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:03 thenexusp wrote:
On May 04 2013 04:42 Ketara wrote:
The change to the "clamping" issue with league points is really hilarious.

I go from +3LP per win and -10~15 per loss to +5 per win and -3 per loss.

Wish that change had been made 3 months ago.

Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what)


League players are too impatient for asymptotes ;P

It's always entertained me that lim (n -> infinity) where n = num games played on the LP curve = your true elo. I just like thinking about it that way cuz I'm weird like that haha.


How is thinking about things in the correct way weird wtf.
YOUR ELO IS WHATEVER JESUS THINKS IT SHOULD BE
PRAY TO GOD EVERY NIGHT FOR HIM TO RAISE YOUR ELO
OR PRAY TO FROGGEN WHATEVER WORKS

It converges to your true elo a LOT faster than people think it does though.
but it will fluctuate a certain amount until you reach infinity

however people think true elo is some kind of thing you're born with when you can very easily improve even if its just playing your best champions



nonono I mean I feel like it's weird cuz I legitimately see it in my head as a function converging to an asymptote (a constantly moving asymptote, but not all functions converge to fixed points anyway)

sry Neo, didn't mean to perpetuate an elo discussion. spare me

I'm in elo hell because my team keeps picking tanks instead of bruisers.

Haha subtle. Nicely done.

This is a real legitimate complaint i don know why your making fun of me guise
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#1203
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
May 03 2013 20:36 GMT
#1204
On May 04 2013 05:30 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:17 cLutZ wrote:
Why is Utility Ez never run Mid?

Its the only mana/utility Ez that makes sense because he doesn't need to be able to 2v2 before all his items are done(which he's unable to do unless way fed). I personally have no clue why people run it bot. You can stack tear pretty fast, for example in an ARAM my Jayce stacked it by 12 minutes and Ezreal can do the same especially if he gets a blue. .


Confused

On May 04 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I feel like it's more done when you don't really need a proper ad carry (maybe he won't be able to auto attack much anyway) but there's nobody else thats not an ad carry that lanes well botlane or at least that your ad player has practiced
urgots often used here but he's more of a front line guy has much less range to poke with

Then I don't see why you wouldn't pick something like Wukong for botlane where you can legitly and easily go like 10-0 early instead of some utility Ez that basically guarantees that the enemy AD gets farmed.


Confused x2
Freeeeeeedom
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 03 2013 20:41 GMT
#1205
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#1206
On May 04 2013 05:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.


Battlemage Ezreal and the TPA skin are the only reason I will ever play that champ. Countdown to the TPA skins because yesplspewpew.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 03 2013 20:43 GMT
#1207
On May 04 2013 05:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.


Battlemage Ezreal and the TPA skin are the only reason I will ever play that champ. Countdown to the TPA skins because yesplspewpew.

Time to buy the Shen skin and then never ever get to play it because he's permaban in Silver in pretty much 100% of games.
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 03 2013 20:45 GMT
#1208
On May 04 2013 05:43 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.


Battlemage Ezreal and the TPA skin are the only reason I will ever play that champ. Countdown to the TPA skins because yesplspewpew.

Time to buy the Shen skin and then never ever get to play it because he's permaban in Silver in pretty much 100% of games.


The key is to be second pick. The number of times I've gotten him when I'm second pick far outweighs the times I've tried to leave him open as first pick and get him. How much do you think the skin will cost?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2013 20:47 GMT
#1209
On May 04 2013 05:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:21 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:03 thenexusp wrote:
On May 04 2013 04:42 Ketara wrote:
The change to the "clamping" issue with league points is really hilarious.

I go from +3LP per win and -10~15 per loss to +5 per win and -3 per loss.

Wish that change had been made 3 months ago.

Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what)


League players are too impatient for asymptotes ;P

It's always entertained me that lim (n -> infinity) where n = num games played on the LP curve = your true elo. I just like thinking about it that way cuz I'm weird like that haha.


How is thinking about things in the correct way weird wtf.
YOUR ELO IS WHATEVER JESUS THINKS IT SHOULD BE
PRAY TO GOD EVERY NIGHT FOR HIM TO RAISE YOUR ELO
OR PRAY TO FROGGEN WHATEVER WORKS

It converges to your true elo a LOT faster than people think it does though.
but it will fluctuate a certain amount until you reach infinity

however people think true elo is some kind of thing you're born with when you can very easily improve even if its just playing your best champions



nonono I mean I feel like it's weird cuz I legitimately see it in my head as a function converging to an asymptote (a constantly moving asymptote, but not all functions converge to fixed points anyway)

sry Neo, didn't mean to perpetuate an elo discussion. spare me

This is more math than Elo to me.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 03 2013 20:48 GMT
#1210
On May 04 2013 05:45 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:43 Requizen wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.


Battlemage Ezreal and the TPA skin are the only reason I will ever play that champ. Countdown to the TPA skins because yesplspewpew.

Time to buy the Shen skin and then never ever get to play it because he's permaban in Silver in pretty much 100% of games.


The key is to be second pick. The number of times I've gotten him when I'm second pick far outweighs the times I've tried to leave him open as first pick and get him. How much do you think the skin will cost?

Not sure. The preview videos are unfinished, but I hope there are different sound effects/particles. The Shen one should really have the sound of those clap tubes when his passive procs on an auto or something.
It's your boy Guzma!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 03 2013 20:48 GMT
#1211
Rio is going to make back the $1M they gave TPA for winningS2 with the Championship skins.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 20:50:28
May 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#1212
On May 04 2013 05:45 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:43 Requizen wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:41 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:35 Ketara wrote:
I like the blue Ez build. It's different, and it's clearly competitive.

It's one of those things I think that doesn't look super strong by the numbers, but then you see it in a real game and you're like "Oh. That's some bullshit."

I've seen it work and I've seen it fail miserable. Viable, probably, but incredibly risky.


Battlemage Ezreal and the TPA skin are the only reason I will ever play that champ. Countdown to the TPA skins because yesplspewpew.

Time to buy the Shen skin and then never ever get to play it because he's permaban in Silver in pretty much 100% of games.


The key is to be second pick. The number of times I've gotten him when I'm second pick far outweighs the times I've tried to leave him open as first pick and get him. How much do you think the skin will cost?

750 I would assume. Only one that has any real change to their animations is Mundo throwing the trophy lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 03 2013 20:54 GMT
#1213
Why am I fp over a diamond 4 as a plat 5
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 03 2013 20:57 GMT
#1214
On May 04 2013 05:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Why am I fp over a diamond 4 as a plat 5


Because you are the zerg russian god of elo.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
May 03 2013 21:00 GMT
#1215
On May 04 2013 05:03 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 04:42 Ketara wrote:
The change to the "clamping" issue with league points is really hilarious.

I go from +3LP per win and -10~15 per loss to +5 per win and -3 per loss.

Wish that change had been made 3 months ago.

Why do you wish this? You're not magically going to be in a higher division just because they changed their LP formulae (which, above all else, will converge to your MMR no matter what)


Can't talk for him, but after the patch I'm winning +26 and losing -13.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2013 21:03 GMT
#1216
On May 04 2013 05:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Why am I fp over a diamond 4 as a plat 5

Just have a look to LoLnexus from time and time and you'll see that even without a premade it happens pretty often. Streaks and stuff like that probably play a lot into it (I've had something like 4-13 for this week in ranked, and still only lost around 30 LP overall, though I'm pretty sure with the brackets I'd actually have lot enough Elo to drop down a league or two).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 21:07:48
May 03 2013 21:06 GMT
#1217
On May 04 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I feel like it's more done when you don't really need a proper ad carry (maybe he won't be able to auto attack much anyway) but there's nobody else thats not an ad carry that lanes well botlane or at least that your ad player has practiced
urgots often used here but he's more of a front line guy has much less range to poke with

Then I don't see why you wouldn't pick something like Wukong for botlane where you can legitly and easily go like 10-0 early instead of some utility Ez that basically guarantees that the enemy AD gets farmed.


If bruisers botlane actually worked like that I guarantee you people would pick them

I've played a lot of bruiser bot lane (a lot of wukong specifically as well because his W lets him trade and get out without losing all his hp, lee sin can do similar, fiora because of her double Q if the enemy AD has a jump and her W and movement speed boost to chase) and it's definitely got potential but its hard to make work and very vulnerable to jungle ganks because of the reliance on all in because you have no way to deal with poke from 2 champions
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 03 2013 21:18 GMT
#1218
On May 04 2013 05:48 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rio is going to make back the $1M they gave TPA for winningS2 with the Championship skins.

hahahahaha
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 03 2013 21:19 GMT
#1219
On May 04 2013 06:06 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 05:33 Shikyo wrote:
On May 04 2013 05:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I feel like it's more done when you don't really need a proper ad carry (maybe he won't be able to auto attack much anyway) but there's nobody else thats not an ad carry that lanes well botlane or at least that your ad player has practiced
urgots often used here but he's more of a front line guy has much less range to poke with

Then I don't see why you wouldn't pick something like Wukong for botlane where you can legitly and easily go like 10-0 early instead of some utility Ez that basically guarantees that the enemy AD gets farmed.


If bruisers botlane actually worked like that I guarantee you people would pick them

I've played a lot of bruiser bot lane (a lot of wukong specifically as well because his W lets him trade and get out without losing all his hp, lee sin can do similar, fiora because of her double Q if the enemy AD has a jump and her W and movement speed boost to chase) and it's definitely got potential but its hard to make work and very vulnerable to jungle ganks because of the reliance on all in because you have no way to deal with poke from 2 champions

I've been fiddling around with the idea of Fiora bottom lane but no one has let me pick her there yet. She at least can deal with harrass - In fact, if you max W first(which is good to do anyway) you basically completely negate harrass as well as allins. Probably only as a counterpick to something non-graves but still feels good.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 03 2013 21:19 GMT
#1220
pretty sure PF Ezreal funded the whole NA+EU LCS expenses alone lol
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