EPT[Patch 3.06: Lissandra Patch] General Discussion - Page 63
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I disagree with Travis about how he wants to see who's the best at the end (last few weeks). Totally negates the point of the first few weeks and a league in general. Sounds like he would like more tournaments and see the best that teams bring to that one weekend. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 04 2013 07:55 cLutZ wrote: 1/2 the league being potentially turned over is possibly a bit extreme. But only 2 would be so incumbent-friendly. As it is they are already getting a bye into the final round of relegation (also stupid). The proposal that I've heard from both Thorin and others is to copy the LPL and have the bottom two at the end of the season get relegated with six amateur teams in an eight team tournament. The bottom two LCS teams have no advantage in that tournament and the absolute best six amateur teams duke it out. There's no ideal way to handle amateurs getting promoted into the LCS with only 8 teams but I think having 4 teams be potentially replaced destroys a lot of what makes the LCS interesting. If CLG, Dig, Marn, and Complexity all got eliminated (very very unlikely but still) it'd pretty much ruin NA LCS for me. Whereas if just two teams got replaced you'd still have mostly all the same faces as last season. edit: Imagine if, in the current system, TSM slumps during the end of the summer season and places 3rd. They could lose a bo3 in the playoffs and then we could potentially see the elimination of the best NA team purely because they lost a bo3 and then lost a bo5. Seems waaaaay too harsh and ridiculous. Especially if a team is putting up consistent wins in the regular season (which proves they belong there way more than a single bo3 and a single bo5). | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
He's a picture I made for one of our TL articles on the OGN showing what they do. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oYtfw.png) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
EDIT: Dam too slow. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
NHL has much better parity now though. IMO, they need to have more teams. Say twelve. Top six automatically make playoffs, then seven through ten fight for last two spots. Four teams that miss go to relegation, then of the teams that go our first round have them do a placement series and losers go to relegation. Allows for upsets, gets rid of the one good weekends you win thing. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Something that I imagine will happen naturally as the game gets bigger and more people play/watch it. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 04 2013 08:18 iCanada wrote: IMO, they need to have more teams. Say twelve. Top six automatically make playoffs, then seven through ten fight for last two spots. Four teams that miss go to relegation, then of the teams that go our first round have them do a placement series and losers go to relegation. Allows for upsets, gets rid of the one good weekends you win thing. If you make playoffs it really doesn't make sense that you can be relegated at all. You made playoffs. I'd be fine with them adding more teams and then having more teams drop out but I don't think 50% of your league should be relegated and I don't think 75% of your league should be going to playoffs. I also think the suggestion about getting worlds spots in spring playoffs is good because it makes spring playoffs actually worth something (other than avoiding relegation). | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Make the X teams that ended last in the regular season face relegation | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily. I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that. This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago! Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 04 2013 08:38 cLutZ wrote: I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that. This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago! Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May? Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4... Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months. Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
During the whole Spring LCS; how many big viewed tournaments were their for amateur teams? like 1? Pretty silly; can't have parallel league if Riot not even willing to put more views on amateur teams; muchless add an entirely new league dedicated for them. The issue with most leagues; this includes majority of sports, is that it ends up being about generating players not teams, I welcome a league where teams can drop out fairly easily. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Now that's a job. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 04 2013 08:45 overt wrote: Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4... Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months. Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS. I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts. Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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