On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
On May 04 2013 09:12 arb wrote: Bruiser Taric on ARAM is hilarious fun
Bruiser Soraka is better. I don't think I've lost an ARAM with Soraka yet.
That ult on the damn AP Soraka is so stupid in ARAM especially if someone has Bulwark. Free teamfight victory every single time. Heals twice as much to the whole team as Karthus ult deals to a whole team, just about.
Support is by far the most satisfying role for me to play. This game was the first time I get an enemy players saying "getting carried by janna..." ^-^ Was playing Janna/Vayne vs MF/Lulu and got constantly harrassed but somehow we still won the lane and then the Vayne carried really hard, ending in a pentakill where we all stopped attacking the malphite to give her the penta :3
Watching the ADC you laned with carry is like watching your son grow up(not like I have experience with that)
people need to get their facts straight about the LCS updowns
first of all, it's not "a single bo3" that the LCS teams have to win. it's a 28 game season, followed by a playoffs, followed by a bo5. remember that these teams have gotten top-tier practice, top-tier games, riot pampering, perks out the butt, salaries, and all the tools they need to stay in the league. they've had 28 regular-season games to secure the top 2 spots (TSM and Curse worked hard and did just that). after that they got another chance to come up with new strats, beat their peers and secure their spots again (GGU and Vulcun did just that).
NOW the LCS teams get *yet another* chance, this time against opponents who have had no love, shitty schedules, out-of-game matters to attend to, zero financial support, etc etc etc. AND the LCS teams get a best of 5 to ensure that they can't be cheesed out. AND the top amateur teams have to face weaker challenger teams in a bo3 (perfect for cheesing) to even get a shot at facing the LCS teams.
the odds are stacked ever in the favor of the LCS teams. they've had their time to shine. some of them did. some of them sparked later than others. but they all had an equal shot at keeping their spots. now their spots are on the line. if this isn't an "oh fuck better practice harder" moment for them, then *they deserve to be knocked out.* there should be no "old guard" in league if the "old guard" can't beat scrappy challenger teams put together one month ago who are constantly swapping out rosters.
any LCS team that loses a bo5 against an amateur team, after not securing their spot in a 28-game season, after not securing their spot in a playoff, does not deserve to be in the LCS. it's that simple.
that being said, CLG and dig have next to no chance to be eliminated. honestly it's a dream situation for the LCS because vulcun and GGU, 2 of the less-established teams that might fall prey to a challenger team, have their spots locked up. you think CLG and dig are gonna let amateurs walk all over them? have some fkin' faith in your teams. had CLG and dig gotten through the playoffs, we *MIGHT* have seen 4 new teams enter the league. as it stands, at most 2 teams are getting through.
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
Why only 2? Do you think it always should only be 2? Or do you think it could have been 4 if Vulcan and GGU lost 1st round and they only earned protection as a result of their playoff wins?
On May 04 2013 09:27 gtrsrs wrote: people need to get their facts straight about the LCS updowns
first of all, it's not "a single bo3" that the LCS teams have to win. it's a 28 game season, followed by a playoffs, followed by a bo5. remember that these teams have gotten top-tier practice, top-tier games, riot pampering, perks out the butt, salaries, and all the tools they need to stay in the league. they've had 28 regular-season games to secure the top 2 spots (TSM and Curse worked hard and did just that). after that they got another chance to come up with new strats, beat their peers and secure their spots again (GGU and Vulcun did just that).
NOW the LCS teams get *yet another* chance, this time against opponents who have had no love, shitty schedules, out-of-game matters to attend to, zero financial support, etc etc etc. AND the LCS teams get a best of 5 to ensure that they can't be cheesed out. AND the top amateur teams have to face weaker challenger teams in a bo3 (perfect for cheesing) to even get a shot at facing the LCS teams.
the odds are stacked ever in the favor of the LCS teams. they've had their time to shine. some of them did. some of them sparked later than others. but they all had an equal shot at keeping their spots. now their spots are on the line. if this isn't an "oh fuck better practice harder" moment for them, then *they deserve to be knocked out.* there should be no "old guard" in league if the "old guard" can't beat scrappy challenger teams put together one month ago who are constantly swapping out rosters.
any LCS team that loses a bo5 against an amateur team, after not securing their spot in a 28-game season, after not securing their spot in a playoff, does not deserve to be in the LCS. it's that simple.
that being said, CLG and dig have next to no chance to be eliminated. honestly it's a dream situation for the LCS because vulcun and GGU, 2 of the less-established teams that might fall prey to a challenger team, have their spots locked up. you think CLG and dig are gonna let amateurs walk all over them? have some fkin' faith in your teams. had CLG and dig gotten through the playoffs, we *MIGHT* have seen 4 new teams enter the league. as it stands, at most 2 teams are getting through.
This whole read seems quite bitter and not as factual as I thought it would be after the first line. You can't form an opinion based solely around the CLG/Dig situation. Seems with you everything has to be personal so let's do that. Imagine say your team makes it to LCS and has a really good season to finish 3rd but then in the playoffs has an off day then gets knocked out. It's the same thing, new blood just got tossed out that has potential but because the system doesn't value the season they now pay the price.
It doesn't just effect old guard like you seem to believe.
On May 04 2013 08:05 NeoIllusions wrote: I'm with Thorin, current format makes regular season pointless. I disagree with Travis about how he wants to see who's the best at the end (last few weeks). Totally negates the point of the first few weeks and a league in general. Sounds like he would like more tournaments and see the best that teams bring to that one weekend.
I think it only seems pointless because of how Riot decided to name stuff for the LCS. Right now everything is considered to be the first half of Season 3 so no one cares about crowning a champion with 28 more games to go. If they renamed it 2013 LCS S1 like GSL, then of course it would be great to have a champion and teams falling out.
I don't get why teams playing well in the first few weeks matter when it comes to the last few weeks and the playoffs. Yeah they were hot for a bit. So what? All that matters is that they were not clutch and did not perform up to par when they needed it the most.
I guess right now 50% turnover would seem extreme because there are so few teams from the amateur circuit that can really compete in the LCS. I agree that a lot of the issues could be solved if Riot can make the league bigger and keep the same number of relegation spots but they need to keep expenses in check especially since it applies to at least two regions.
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
Why only 2? Do you think it always should only be 2? Or do you think it could have been 4 if Vulcan and GGU lost 1st round and they only earned protection as a result of their playoff wins?
I can accept the 2nd scenario, but not the 1st.
I think you can toss out 4 teams if it was a 12 team league. Tossing half your league into relegations is not a good way to run a league. The fact that a scenario exists where the #3 and #4 teams might not be back next season is really awful and the league shouldn't function like that. The purpose of a league is to evaluate teams based on consistent results but if the third most consistent team can get knocked out of the league it begs the question of, "why do we even have this league?"
I'm pretty certain Riot will change the LCS format next year but I doubt they'll have time to change the format before the summer split.
Also, yeah, adding more teams is a huge expense especially since I'm pretty confident Riot is losing money on the LCS. Maybe if league continues to grow and Riot can confidently say that Season 3 LCS was a success they'll add more teams but I won't blame them at all if they don't as adding four new teams would mean four new team salaries.
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
Why only 2? Do you think it always should only be 2? Or do you think it could have been 4 if Vulcan and GGU lost 1st round and they only earned protection as a result of their playoff wins?
I can accept the 2nd scenario, but not the 1st.
I think you can toss out 4 teams if it was a 12 team league. Tossing half your league into relegations is not a good way to run a league. The fact that a scenario exists where the #3 and #4 teams might not be back next season is really awful and the league shouldn't function like that. The purpose of a league is to evaluate teams based on consistent results but if the third most consistent team can get knocked out of the league it begs the question of, "why do we even have this league?"
I'm pretty certain Riot will change the LCS format next year but I doubt they'll have time to change the format before the summer split.
Well, the champions league sometimes has like 90% turnover and people still enjoy that.
On May 04 2013 09:27 gtrsrs wrote: people need to get their facts straight about the LCS updowns
first of all, it's not "a single bo3" that the LCS teams have to win. it's a 28 game season, followed by a playoffs, followed by a bo5. remember that these teams have gotten top-tier practice, top-tier games, riot pampering, perks out the butt, salaries, and all the tools they need to stay in the league. they've had 28 regular-season games to secure the top 2 spots (TSM and Curse worked hard and did just that). after that they got another chance to come up with new strats, beat their peers and secure their spots again (GGU and Vulcun did just that).
NOW the LCS teams get *yet another* chance, this time against opponents who have had no love, shitty schedules, out-of-game matters to attend to, zero financial support, etc etc etc. AND the LCS teams get a best of 5 to ensure that they can't be cheesed out. AND the top amateur teams have to face weaker challenger teams in a bo3 (perfect for cheesing) to even get a shot at facing the LCS teams.
the odds are stacked ever in the favor of the LCS teams. they've had their time to shine. some of them did. some of them sparked later than others. but they all had an equal shot at keeping their spots. now their spots are on the line. if this isn't an "oh fuck better practice harder" moment for them, then *they deserve to be knocked out.* there should be no "old guard" in league if the "old guard" can't beat scrappy challenger teams put together one month ago who are constantly swapping out rosters.
any LCS team that loses a bo5 against an amateur team, after not securing their spot in a 28-game season, after not securing their spot in a playoff, does not deserve to be in the LCS. it's that simple.
that being said, CLG and dig have next to no chance to be eliminated. honestly it's a dream situation for the LCS because vulcun and GGU, 2 of the less-established teams that might fall prey to a challenger team, have their spots locked up. you think CLG and dig are gonna let amateurs walk all over them? have some fkin' faith in your teams. had CLG and dig gotten through the playoffs, we *MIGHT* have seen 4 new teams enter the league. as it stands, at most 2 teams are getting through.
This whole read seems quite bitter and not as factual as I thought it would be after the first line. You can't form an opinion based solely around the CLG/Dig situation. Seems with you everything has to be personal so let's do that. Imagine say your team makes it to LCS and has a really good season to finish 3rd but then in the playoffs has an off day then gets knocked out. It's the same thing, new blood just got tossed out that has potential but because the system doesn't value the season they now pay the price.
It doesn't just effect old guard like you seem to believe.
if that happens then we'd deserve to lose... if you can't compete during crunch time then your normal season doesn't matter
regular season : relegation as scrims : regular season who cares if curse loses all their scrims, they win a ton of matches and likewise, who cares if clg wins all their scrims, they lose a ton of matches and likewise, who cares if clg won enough regular season matches to get 4th, they lost hard in the playoffs
i WANT clg and dig to win. i'm huge clg and dig fans. i'm the biggest hotshotgg fanboy. he's a great guy. they will not lose. but if they do, i'm not gonna cry for them. they had a whole season to get their shit together and they floundered. they have tons of advantages over azure and 1tp. but if 1tp and azure worked their butts off and take CLG's spot, they deserve it. it's that simple. survival of the fittest
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
Why only 2? Do you think it always should only be 2? Or do you think it could have been 4 if Vulcan and GGU lost 1st round and they only earned protection as a result of their playoff wins?
I can accept the 2nd scenario, but not the 1st.
I think you can toss out 4 teams if it was a 12 team league. Tossing half your league into relegations is not a good way to run a league. The fact that a scenario exists where the #3 and #4 teams might not be back next season is really awful and the league shouldn't function like that. The purpose of a league is to evaluate teams based on consistent results but if the third most consistent team can get knocked out of the league it begs the question of, "why do we even have this league?"
I'm pretty certain Riot will change the LCS format next year but I doubt they'll have time to change the format before the summer split.
Well, the champions league sometimes has like 90% turnover and people still enjoy that.
i'd bet it has less than 33% easily. like top 16 doesn't change a lot from year to year, and some of the weaker teams always qualify because they're the champion of their country almost each year.
On May 04 2013 08:23 Craton wrote: The "solution" is to not disregard regular season standings so readily.
I also don't think that the solution should include protecting CLG from relegation. While I think they deserve to be in the LCS, I think they also deserve to have to prove that.
This isn't the EPL where even mediocre teams have proven over a long history that they are worthy. LCS is literally 3 (?) months old, and real LOL competition is less than 2 years old. Only 3 of the LCS teams got into the LCS in a different way than teams like Azure are trying to, and that was less than 6 months ago!
Is there really any logic to giving the 5 teams that qualified on January 13th some innate advantage over the ones that perform well in May?
Well I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that Dignitas and CLG played so well in the first part of the season that they finished #3 and #4...
Based on season standings Dig and CLG are better teams than Vulcun and GGU. Despite the fact that Vulcun and GGU are protected and had really strong playoff runs. If the #3 and #4 team can be relegated why do we even have a league? Why not just have three months of weekly tournaments where you invite people who finish high the previous week and have qualifiers for amateur teams and teams that are "pro" who didn't finish high enough the previous week to get an invite? At least then matches would mean something. Then just have a big world qualifier tournament in the spring and summer based on points earned throughout the previous three months.
Or just copy OGN. Or just take Thorin's solution. Or Riot can come up with an entirely new system. The current system though makes the regular season completely worthless and the fact that there is no amateur scene ensures that teams are probably going to disband if they get knocked out of the LCS.
I don't want to ignore that CLG and Dig did well, I just saying dropping only 2 teams is nuts.
Edit, no one is complaining about the EU LCS, because people on SK and EG did their jobs.
SK advanced after AAA got disqualified...so they didn't really do their job.
It's stupid that a #3 or #4 seed can be relegated out of the league by losing a singular bo3. Plain and simple.
I agree. I feel that only the last two teams should be facing relegation.
Why only 2? Do you think it always should only be 2? Or do you think it could have been 4 if Vulcan and GGU lost 1st round and they only earned protection as a result of their playoff wins?
I can accept the 2nd scenario, but not the 1st.
I think you can toss out 4 teams if it was a 12 team league. Tossing half your league into relegations is not a good way to run a league. The fact that a scenario exists where the #3 and #4 teams might not be back next season is really awful and the league shouldn't function like that. The purpose of a league is to evaluate teams based on consistent results but if the third most consistent team can get knocked out of the league it begs the question of, "why do we even have this league?"
I'm pretty certain Riot will change the LCS format next year but I doubt they'll have time to change the format before the summer split.
Well, the champions league sometimes has like 90% turnover and people still enjoy that.
i'd bet it has less than 33% easily. like top 16 doesn't change a lot from year to year, and some of the weaker teams always qualify because they're the champion of their country almost each year.
You do realize there is a high probability we will get 0% turnover right?
On May 04 2013 09:27 gtrsrs wrote: people need to get their facts straight about the LCS updowns
first of all, it's not "a single bo3" that the LCS teams have to win. it's a 28 game season, followed by a playoffs, followed by a bo5. remember that these teams have gotten top-tier practice, top-tier games, riot pampering, perks out the butt, salaries, and all the tools they need to stay in the league. they've had 28 regular-season games to secure the top 2 spots (TSM and Curse worked hard and did just that). after that they got another chance to come up with new strats, beat their peers and secure their spots again (GGU and Vulcun did just that).
NOW the LCS teams get *yet another* chance, this time against opponents who have had no love, shitty schedules, out-of-game matters to attend to, zero financial support, etc etc etc. AND the LCS teams get a best of 5 to ensure that they can't be cheesed out. AND the top amateur teams have to face weaker challenger teams in a bo3 (perfect for cheesing) to even get a shot at facing the LCS teams.
the odds are stacked ever in the favor of the LCS teams. they've had their time to shine. some of them did. some of them sparked later than others. but they all had an equal shot at keeping their spots. now their spots are on the line. if this isn't an "oh fuck better practice harder" moment for them, then *they deserve to be knocked out.* there should be no "old guard" in league if the "old guard" can't beat scrappy challenger teams put together one month ago who are constantly swapping out rosters.
any LCS team that loses a bo5 against an amateur team, after not securing their spot in a 28-game season, after not securing their spot in a playoff, does not deserve to be in the LCS. it's that simple.
that being said, CLG and dig have next to no chance to be eliminated. honestly it's a dream situation for the LCS because vulcun and GGU, 2 of the less-established teams that might fall prey to a challenger team, have their spots locked up. you think CLG and dig are gonna let amateurs walk all over them? have some fkin' faith in your teams. had CLG and dig gotten through the playoffs, we *MIGHT* have seen 4 new teams enter the league. as it stands, at most 2 teams are getting through.
This whole read seems quite bitter and not as factual as I thought it would be after the first line. You can't form an opinion based solely around the CLG/Dig situation. Seems with you everything has to be personal so let's do that. Imagine say your team makes it to LCS and has a really good season to finish 3rd but then in the playoffs has an off day then gets knocked out. It's the same thing, new blood just got tossed out that has potential but because the system doesn't value the season they now pay the price.
It doesn't just effect old guard like you seem to believe.
if that happens then we'd deserve to lose... if you can't compete during crunch time then your normal season doesn't matter
regular season : relegation as scrims : regular season who cares if curse loses all their scrims, they win a ton of matches and likewise, who cares if clg wins all their scrims, they lose a ton of matches and likewise, who cares if clg won enough regular season matches to get 4th, they lost hard in the playoffs
i WANT clg and dig to win. i'm huge clg and dig fans. i'm the biggest hotshotgg fanboy. he's a great guy. they will not lose. but if they do, i'm not gonna cry for them. they had a whole season to get their shit together and they floundered. they have tons of advantages over azure and 1tp. but if 1tp and azure worked their butts off and take CLG's spot, they deserve it. it's that simple. survival of the fittest
It's pretty surprising to me that people don't think like this.Why would someone who is getting payed and getting lan experience not be favored by like 90% against a random amateur team?If they beat you then you don't deserve that spot.
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