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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 13 2013 07:31 GMT
#3221
On May 13 2013 15:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:03 ArcTimes wrote:
Is this the Idra we are talking about here?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22047045#history


I am not convinced he is that high.

plat 3 isn't very high

pretty sure someone with idra's mechanics would be well above here. his teamwork on the other hand...
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
May 13 2013 07:39 GMT
#3222
On May 13 2013 16:31 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:06 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 13 2013 15:03 ArcTimes wrote:
Is this the Idra we are talking about here?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22047045#history


I am not convinced he is that high.

plat 3 isn't very high

pretty sure someone with idra's mechanics would be well above here. his teamwork on the other hand...

Don't think so, he said he was playing to spend time with his girlfriend, and wanted to stay away from ranked
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 13 2013 08:08 GMT
#3223
On May 13 2013 16:31 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:06 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 13 2013 15:03 ArcTimes wrote:
Is this the Idra we are talking about here?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22047045#history


I am not convinced he is that high.

plat 3 isn't very high

pretty sure someone with idra's mechanics would be well above here. his teamwork on the other hand...


Destiny was below plat 3 for a VERY LONG TIME.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 13 2013 08:18 GMT
#3224
mechanics have nothing to do with it, it takes quite a while to memorize all the skills and champs in the game and have an innate idea of how much damage they can do.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 13 2013 08:27 GMT
#3225
Idra would not name himself Greg Idra Fields.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 08:44:35
May 13 2013 08:39 GMT
#3226
Most of what people call "mechanics" in this game is pretty much applied game knowledge (knowing how to position/zone/engage properly based on your knowledge of skill and autoattack range/damage/CDs/etc.). That requires you to have a high level of game knowledge to apply in the first place, which Idra won't have much of yet. "Pure" mechanics insofar as what you expect to translate over from a totally different game has very little meaning.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 13 2013 08:47 GMT
#3227
The only thing I expect idra to transfer over is micro, and map awareness. Almost everything else from SC2 is not applicable to LoL.
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 13 2013 09:22 GMT
#3228
On May 13 2013 17:27 Fionn wrote:
Idra would not name himself Greg Idra Fields.


I dont think he would even switch games. He doenst want to risk going pro and having to go on stage answering the question on how to pronounce IdrA
KCCO!
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
May 13 2013 09:29 GMT
#3229
On May 13 2013 17:47 Amui wrote:
The only thing I expect idra to transfer over is micro, and map awareness. Almost everything else from SC2 is not applicable to LoL.


That's so untrue, I don't know why people seem to think map awareness transfers over. However It's likely a player from SC2 would recognise the importance of map awareness in LoL and work to improve it.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 13 2013 09:36 GMT
#3230
On May 13 2013 17:39 TheYango wrote:
Most of what people call "mechanics" in this game is pretty much applied game knowledge (knowing how to position/zone/engage properly based on your knowledge of skill and autoattack range/damage/CDs/etc.). That requires you to have a high level of game knowledge to apply in the first place, which Idra won't have much of yet. "Pure" mechanics insofar as what you expect to translate over from a totally different game has very little meaning.


Pretty much. I got to mid-masters in sc2 in 3 months when it came out by purely outmacroing people with my BW mechanics, and it took me 2 years to get out of gold in LoL.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
May 13 2013 09:58 GMT
#3231
On May 13 2013 18:29 Agnosthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 17:47 Amui wrote:
The only thing I expect idra to transfer over is micro, and map awareness. Almost everything else from SC2 is not applicable to LoL.


That's so untrue, I don't know why people seem to think map awareness transfers over. However It's likely a player from SC2 would recognise the importance of map awareness in LoL and work to improve it.

Of course it transfers over lol. Why would you think it doesn't?
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 13 2013 10:19 GMT
#3232
Map awareness = Looking at the map and recognising whats going on and where your enemy is.

How could you think it would transfer from one game to another that both have minimaps?! FOOLS I TELL YOU! FOOLS!

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm
Useless wet fish.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
May 13 2013 10:27 GMT
#3233
On May 13 2013 19:19 Capped wrote:
Map awareness = Looking at the map and recognising whats going on and where your enemy is.

How could you think it would transfer from one game to another that both have minimaps?! FOOLS I TELL YOU! FOOLS!

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


From my perspective it took hundreds of games of league before my map awareness was even close to what it was in SC. Trying to figure out what the champions do, the constant cs + fighting at low levels + all the other stuff that was happening made me almost not see the minimap. :#
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 13 2013 10:29 GMT
#3234
On May 13 2013 16:39 nanospartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 16:31 101toss wrote:
On May 13 2013 15:06 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 13 2013 15:03 ArcTimes wrote:
Is this the Idra we are talking about here?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22047045#history


I am not convinced he is that high.

plat 3 isn't very high

pretty sure someone with idra's mechanics would be well above here. his teamwork on the other hand...

Don't think so, he said he was playing to spend time with his girlfriend, and wanted to stay away from ranked

"I'm not going to go into ranked or anything, because that just invites people to be dicks."
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
May 13 2013 10:47 GMT
#3235
On May 13 2013 19:19 Capped wrote:
Map awareness = Looking at the map and recognising whats going on and where your enemy is.

How could you think it would transfer from one game to another that both have minimaps?! FOOLS I TELL YOU! FOOLS!

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


Honestly, that's an unbelievably fallacious line of reasoning. Think about the logic you're using, would you say a good FPS player is going to be good at any game involving a gun too?
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
May 13 2013 10:57 GMT
#3236
On May 13 2013 19:47 Agnosthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 19:19 Capped wrote:
Map awareness = Looking at the map and recognising whats going on and where your enemy is.

How could you think it would transfer from one game to another that both have minimaps?! FOOLS I TELL YOU! FOOLS!

+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


Honestly, that's an unbelievably fallacious line of reasoning. Think about the logic you're using, would you say a good FPS player is going to be good at any game involving a gun too?


Your comparison is extremely bad though. The FPS player is not going to be good at any game involving a gun, but playing another game he will be at least decent in the aspects that are identical in both games.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
May 13 2013 11:00 GMT
#3237
I think it's more like expecting an fps player to be great at aiming skillshots because they both require precision aiming, which can conceivably be thought of as a unified skill in a way similar to map awareness.
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
May 13 2013 11:22 GMT
#3238
Don't think that's a good comparison either. In the case of map awareness you have 2 games that are viewed from above at an angle, with an identical minimap in the exact same location of the screen. Even if it doesn't transfer over automatically I would say that after getting used to the gameflow a sc2 player will have an easier time adjusting to watching the minimap than someone who hasn't played a similar game will.
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 13 2013 11:36 GMT
#3239
On May 13 2013 20:22 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Don't think that's a good comparison either. In the case of map awareness you have 2 games that are viewed from above at an angle, with an identical minimap in the exact same location of the screen. Even if it doesn't transfer over automatically I would say that after getting used to the gameflow a sc2 player will have an easier time adjusting to watching the minimap than someone who hasn't played a similar game will.


It's actually on the other side of the screen. XD
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 13 2013 11:36 GMT
#3240
On May 13 2013 20:36 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 20:22 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Don't think that's a good comparison either. In the case of map awareness you have 2 games that are viewed from above at an angle, with an identical minimap in the exact same location of the screen. Even if it doesn't transfer over automatically I would say that after getting used to the gameflow a sc2 player will have an easier time adjusting to watching the minimap than someone who hasn't played a similar game will.


It's actually on the other side of the screen. XD


You can change that in the interface options.
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