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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
April 28 2013 03:13 GMT
#3921
On April 28 2013 11:52 Alaric wrote:
Coming from somebody who said Syndra's useless with her ult on cooldown... the "S+" in sustain is false (Noc's and Shen's are better for example) but his dueling and counterjungling (both doing it and defending against it) are good.

I'm much more skeptical of the A+ for ganking (can't secure it well due to flash) compared to other junglers. Trundle's sustain is really only S+ tier when supplemented with other sources (see Wriggles), and as the game progresses (and his passive sustain increases). That being said, the standard level 4 clear for Trundle is >200 HP from his passive, so it's not bad by any means (just skeptical it's "S+" when Shen is only A+).

But in general, people underestimate how strong Trundle jungle punishes counterjungling and invasions. His pillar and the flat AD debuff are massive in jungle duels (junglers don't have the luxury to build AD if they're tank/brusier), and he punishes roamers pretty heavily.

Late game he's really only good for pillar engage/disengage and the shred on tanks, but he is surprisingly underrated as a jungler ever since they removed armor/MR shred on dragon/baron.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
April 28 2013 03:15 GMT
#3922
He's gonna be up there when is rework launches. I can guarantee that to you right now.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 28 2013 03:25 GMT
#3923
On April 28 2013 11:55 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 10:19 Lord Tolkien wrote:
It seems Stonewall008 has gone ahead and released a new jungle tier list in a somewhat different (and more informative) format.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/tier-lists/jungle-tier-list/24086-jungle-tier-list-zac-era

He gave Leona D on durability and invasion I am disappoint

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I'd give Leona the D too... + Show Spoiler +
Vitamin D
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 03:29:01
April 28 2013 03:26 GMT
#3924
On April 28 2013 12:15 Dusty wrote:
He's gonna be up there when is rework launches. I can guarantee that to you right now.

Biggest change will be even slow levels at all rank (allows for much better early ganks/jungle duels with pillar). The change to his W's CC Reduction to healing is interesting. The change to his R to be more effective vs tanks in a higher health environment is a nice QoL change.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 28 2013 03:42 GMT
#3925
I love the diamondprox "flaming is part of the game" quote.

So good.
Freeeeeeedom
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 04:01:47
April 28 2013 03:57 GMT
#3926
Watching Scarra play AP Cho'Gath hurts my soul as someone who used to play a lot of AP Cho. >____< wai scarra

EDIT: HOLY FUCK BLITZCRANK CAN DO THE FLASH BACK WHILE PULLING NOW HOLY FUCK
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 28 2013 04:30 GMT
#3927
Riot hides the winrates of (non-challenger) people, but I find it interesting that looking at a player's profile you can only see the number of ranked games they've played, and when you look at the division he's in you can only see the number of wins they have

It's like Riot doesn't think we can put 2 and 2 together
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
April 28 2013 04:35 GMT
#3928
On April 28 2013 12:57 Dusty wrote:
Watching Scarra play AP Cho'Gath hurts my soul as someone who used to play a lot of AP Cho. >____< wai scarra

EDIT: HOLY FUCK BLITZCRANK CAN DO THE FLASH BACK WHILE PULLING NOW HOLY FUCK


Was that not patched out ages and ages ago?
Anything is Possible
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 28 2013 04:52 GMT
#3929
I'm pretty sure Skarner can clear without using a single healthpot. His sustain is definitely S tier
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 28 2013 05:05 GMT
#3930
How do you deal with split push strat?

Our team: Thresh Top, Cho mid, Shy jungle, Ashe/Sona bot
Enemy Team: WW top, Kha mid, J4 jungle, MF/Ali bot.

We crushed them in team fights but the ww would just BD all game and we could catch up in time. Their wave clear just allowed them to stop us from winning that game.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 28 2013 05:10 GMT
#3931
On April 28 2013 10:09 HazMat wrote:
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On April 28 2013 08:42 Nos- wrote:
I just got a shake impersonator in my game o_O

name? :o

related. Not sure what the last line means.
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[image loading]

name was Zealing Misery or something
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 28 2013 05:11 GMT
#3932
Push out the two sidelanes with your stronger map presence then push mid. If all four comes to defend mid then you go pick off the other sidelanes. The lone BD warwick isn't going to push faster than your team and there's a good chance of a pick-off if you keep forcing transition between lanes. Once WW gets too close to the towers just go back, chase him off and do it all over again.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
April 28 2013 05:55 GMT
#3933
On April 28 2013 13:52 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm pretty sure Skarner can clear without using a single healthpot. His sustain is definitely S tier

Is he clearing the fountain or what?
twitch.tv/cratonz
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 28 2013 06:06 GMT
#3934
He's obviously clearing wards doh.

Just saw scarra on stream playing full AD renekton. 1.3k on W too stronk.
Best Teemo World
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
April 28 2013 06:07 GMT
#3935
Nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks Stonewall's tier list are dumb.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 28 2013 06:09 GMT
#3936
Isn't he like in gold league too? I mean what can you expect.
Best Teemo World
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
April 28 2013 06:12 GMT
#3937
On April 28 2013 15:09 qanik wrote:
Isn't he like in gold league too? I mean what can you expect.

I think he found his way to platinum in S2.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 06:24:08
April 28 2013 06:23 GMT
#3938
On April 28 2013 14:55 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 13:52 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm pretty sure Skarner can clear without using a single healthpot. His sustain is definitely S tier

Is he clearing the fountain or what?


This is an instance of someone showing me it could be done. I have no idea what setup they used to do so, though I think he had a shitton of CDR from runes/masteries and then blue buff.
LHR
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada81 Posts
April 28 2013 06:24 GMT
#3939
MF BAD CHAMP
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 28 2013 06:44 GMT
#3940
On April 28 2013 15:23 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 14:55 Craton wrote:
On April 28 2013 13:52 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm pretty sure Skarner can clear without using a single healthpot. His sustain is definitely S tier

Is he clearing the fountain or what?


This is an instance of someone showing me it could be done. I have no idea what setup they used to do so, though I think he had a shitton of CDR from runes/masteries and then blue buff.


Well that's kinda worthless seeing as the only time your sustain matters is the first time through the jungle, and maybe the 2nd time.
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