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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 14:03:33
March 22 2013 14:03 GMT
#961
Indeed. They acknowledged the dodge removal from Monkey's Agility to be a straight up nerf to Udyr and they were fine with this at the time.

The resist buff to monkey's agility was new.
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 22 2013 14:08 GMT
#962
On March 22 2013 19:59 LOLItsRyann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 19:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Why the fuck are they nerfing udyr so hard?


Am I missing something? What Udyr nerf? O_O

This right here is why they're nerfing him.

But for real, I was JUST thinking about learning Udyr, and they're gonna go and change him on me? Frig.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 22 2013 14:10 GMT
#963
On March 22 2013 23:08 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 19:59 LOLItsRyann wrote:
On March 22 2013 19:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Why the fuck are they nerfing udyr so hard?


Am I missing something? What Udyr nerf? O_O

This right here is why they're nerfing him.

But for real, I was JUST thinking about learning Udyr, and they're gonna go and change him on me? Frig.

To be fair he would have died if Brand hadn't whiffed both of his skillshots lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 22 2013 14:41 GMT
#964
On March 22 2013 23:10 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 23:08 Cedstick wrote:
On March 22 2013 19:59 LOLItsRyann wrote:
On March 22 2013 19:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Why the fuck are they nerfing udyr so hard?


Am I missing something? What Udyr nerf? O_O

This right here is why they're nerfing him.

But for real, I was JUST thinking about learning Udyr, and they're gonna go and change him on me? Frig.

To be fair he would have died if Brand hadn't whiffed both of his skillshots lol.

Don't forget the Nautilus! Heh. Can't downplay the plays vs Lee Sin while wrecking Jax.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 22 2013 14:42 GMT
#965
Can they just give Udyr Quinn's ult? Instead of phoenix stance now, make it so he turns into a phoenix and flies at someone.

Make sure its a gap closer, because you need one to be relevant. /toometa
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 22 2013 15:08 GMT
#966
On March 22 2013 20:22 Mensol wrote:
woong leaves CJ FROST?

BEST NEWS EVER.

It's hilarious how much Western viewers hate on Woong when as far as I'm aware, Koreans consider him on par with Score and Pray (at least according to Maknoon).
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 15:27:41
March 22 2013 15:08 GMT
#967
On March 22 2013 21:25 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 21:24 h3r1n6 wrote:
Phoenix proc on first hit should be pretty good, but I'm not sure why they feel the need to change Udyr.

Because he sucks and has for a long time. One gambit game doesn't change that.


i have like 70-80% winrate in the recent weeks with udyr
u jelly?

also that udyr takes the long route to red video is so true haha, any time you have blue or get blue from a kill shit like that happens. I remember diving first tower top and then running past the next 2 into their base past another 2 avoid bot lane through mid and then go to my red and gank again before backing l0l

most likely its some kind of a buff to jungle pheonix udyr but it rapes top lane udyr which hasn't been played in ages in competitive play so wtf are they thinking? (the mana steal remove and the tiger magic to physical kinda wrecks his top lane because you can stack armour now.)
You lose a lot of gold value from the 48 ap and 24 ad but the 48 ap is mostly made up from the extra damage on pheonix and the extra shield strength on w. Most likely cdr heavy builds will be stronger on pheonix udyr now because spam casting pheonix has an immediate benefit now.

also the passive change is probably a nerf, 15 ms when you have 3 stacks isnt that good. It's only 475 gold for the same thing on boots enchant and nobody gets that. Gap closing isnt udyrs problem pheonix udyrs problem is having no burst damage OR gap closer so you need to be really tanky to go it. 15 MS won't do anything if it just takes one cc spell to stop you going in on your own. Meanwhile you have things like whimsey giving you 25% movement which is far stronger than 15 more ms and the 12% resist/armour buff is much more useful in general.
Tiger udyrs problem is that he's weak early on because he runs out of mana so easily and he's really easy to gank yet they're nerfing him again for apparently no reason. Meanwhile people like zed are strong at all points of the game including lane phase have great escape skills and dueling power and he's completely untouched o.O

I mean the clueless guys in reign of gaming are like yeah you can build armour pen now on udyr because q does physical damage but everyone has tons more armour than magic resist between base stats and itemization that you need like 40+ armour pen to get back to where you were in the first place so it's never a buff.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 22 2013 15:16 GMT
#968
On March 23 2013 00:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 20:22 Mensol wrote:
woong leaves CJ FROST?

BEST NEWS EVER.

It's hilarious how much Western viewers hate on Woong when as far as I'm aware, Koreans consider him on par with Score and Pray (at least according to Maknoon).

IIRC, Woong has a vocal minority hating on him in Korea.


'We' are probably just salty cuz he's not Loco.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
March 22 2013 15:18 GMT
#969
^the guy who posted that vid does that all the time, sometimes he farms between inhibitor turrets on his stream :D
;;
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 22 2013 15:20 GMT
#970
On March 23 2013 00:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 20:22 Mensol wrote:
woong leaves CJ FROST?

BEST NEWS EVER.

It's hilarious how much Western viewers hate on Woong when as far as I'm aware, Koreans consider him on par with Score and Pray (at least according to Maknoon).

Yeah, Woong got caught out a lot but he was still really good. It just became fun to hate on him like Hotshot. That said, any knowledge of their new ADC?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 22 2013 15:38 GMT
#971
On March 22 2013 23:42 Cloud9157 wrote:
Can they just give Udyr Quinn's ult? Instead of phoenix stance now, make it so he turns into a phoenix and flies at someone.

Make sure its a gap closer, because you need one to be relevant. /toometa

So he'd just be Shyvana then.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 22 2013 15:42 GMT
#972
On March 23 2013 00:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 21:25 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On March 22 2013 21:24 h3r1n6 wrote:
Phoenix proc on first hit should be pretty good, but I'm not sure why they feel the need to change Udyr.

Because he sucks and has for a long time. One gambit game doesn't change that.


i have like 70-80% winrate in the recent weeks with udyr
u jelly?

also that udyr takes the long route to red video is so true haha, any time you have blue or get blue from a kill shit like that happens. I remember diving first tower top and then running past the next 2 into their base past another 2 avoid bot lane through mid and then go to my red and gank again before backing l0l

most likely its some kind of a buff to jungle pheonix udyr but it rapes top lane udyr which hasn't been played in ages in competitive play so wtf are they thinking? (the mana steal remove and the tiger magic to physical kinda wrecks his top lane because you can stack armour now.)
You lose a lot of gold value from the 48 ap and 24 ad but the 48 ap is mostly made up from the extra damage on pheonix and the extra shield strength on w. Most likely cdr heavy builds will be stronger on pheonix udyr now because spam casting pheonix has an immediate benefit now.

also the passive change is probably a nerf, 15 ms when you have 3 stacks isnt that good. It's only 475 gold for the same thing on boots enchant and nobody gets that. Gap closing isnt udyrs problem pheonix udyrs problem is having no burst damage OR gap closer so you need to be really tanky to go it. 15 MS won't do anything if it just takes one cc spell to stop you going in on your own. Meanwhile you have things like whimsey giving you 25% movement which is far stronger than 15 more ms and the 12% resist/armour buff is much more useful in general.
Tiger udyrs problem is that he's weak early on because he runs out of mana so easily and he's really easy to gank yet they're nerfing him again for apparently no reason. Meanwhile people like zed are strong at all points of the game including lane phase have great escape skills and dueling power and he's completely untouched o.O

I mean the clueless guys in reign of gaming are like yeah you can build armour pen now on udyr because q does physical damage but everyone has tons more armour than magic resist between base stats and itemization that you need like 40+ armour pen to get back to where you were in the first place so it's never a buff.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1arsqu/udyr_changes_unofficial_pbe_patch_notes_for/c908l73
These changes are aimed at making Udyr have a smoother play experience, not necessarily a nerf or buff. Power level wise it would be great if he stayed the same when all is said and done. That being said solo-top Udyr has typically never promoted healthy play, he either makes the enemy miserable by ignoring him or he gets crushed. Jungle Udyr has a much more dynamic play pattern. Turtle not giving any mana back is a huge hit to the top-lane Udyr playstyle, but there are compensating measures taken in other areas.

Riot knows and intends top lane Udyr to be nerfed, and for Udyr to be played in jungle.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 22 2013 15:47 GMT
#973
Passive change makes you cover greater distance with bear at rank 1 and 3 passive stacks. At rank 5 you hardly even need the passive to cover a greater distance than old bear.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 22 2013 15:47 GMT
#974
Ignoring until collision on Bear Stance is a pretty big deal. Also as Jatt said that's a pretty fair amount of movement speed since it's flat not %
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 22 2013 15:49 GMT
#975
On March 23 2013 00:38 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 23:42 Cloud9157 wrote:
Can they just give Udyr Quinn's ult? Instead of phoenix stance now, make it so he turns into a phoenix and flies at someone.

Make sure its a gap closer, because you need one to be relevant. /toometa

So he'd just be Shyvana then.

Shyvana with bearstance? I'm cool with that!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 16:22:51
March 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#976
Why did the reduce they bear stance movement speed duration though? I'm so confused by that part.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
March 22 2013 16:25 GMT
#977
On a serious note, Udyr does dash on the PBE apparently.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3250834#35862667
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 22 2013 16:28 GMT
#978
On March 23 2013 01:25 JonnyLaw wrote:
On a serious note, Udyr does dash on the PBE apparently.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3250834#35862667


Bear Shunpo so SCAREEYYYY.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#979
Oh nice, I like this. Udyr used to be go to jungler.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 16:34:10
March 22 2013 16:31 GMT
#980
On March 23 2013 01:22 red_ wrote:
Why did the reduce they bear stance movement speed duration though? I'm so confused by that part.

I dunno, maybe as a slight tradeoff for increasing the amount of MS you get + adding ignore unit collision?

Ooh, yeah he does do a minidash in bear stance when he goes to stun a target. Small though it may be, that's going to be VERY noticable.
I don't want to disseminate false info so don't quote me on this, but it feels like about 175-200 range?
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