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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 22 2013 07:26 GMT
#921
On March 22 2013 16:07 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 16:01 Magus wrote:
On March 22 2013 15:46 SagaZ wrote:
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^

First hit procs the Pheonix now though so you do your damage slightly faster. You lose 20-60 damage on the AoE waves, 4-12 damage per Pheonix proc, and 8-24 AD, in return for dealing a Pheonix proc on your first hit. The only part of that that kinda sucks is losing the AD.

The Pheonix clear times shouldn't be that much slower after the change, and he'll run faster. The issue is he'll need blue buff more if they keep Turtle without the mana gain per hit.



Eh. Using turtle is so random. For me at least. Ami doing stuff wrong?

You used to use turtle for the shield and immediately leave back to pheonix for a fast clear, or you would use pheonix for the aoe and immediately go to turtle for a safe clear (maybe you're behind or almost dead etc.) You choose which you want, fast clear at the cost of hp/mana, or a slow clear. Not many champions have that choice, but most people wouldn't chose to clear slowly anyways, so I doubt it matters much.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 22 2013 07:27 GMT
#922
On March 22 2013 16:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 16:07 cLutZ wrote:
On March 22 2013 16:01 Magus wrote:
On March 22 2013 15:46 SagaZ wrote:
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^

First hit procs the Pheonix now though so you do your damage slightly faster. You lose 20-60 damage on the AoE waves, 4-12 damage per Pheonix proc, and 8-24 AD, in return for dealing a Pheonix proc on your first hit. The only part of that that kinda sucks is losing the AD.

The Pheonix clear times shouldn't be that much slower after the change, and he'll run faster. The issue is he'll need blue buff more if they keep Turtle without the mana gain per hit.



Eh. Using turtle is so random. For me at least. Ami doing stuff wrong?

You used to use turtle for the shield and immediately leave back to pheonix for a fast clear, or you would use pheonix for the aoe and immediately go to turtle for a safe clear (maybe you're behind or almost dead etc.) You choose which you want, fast clear at the cost of hp/mana, or a slow clear. Not many champions have that choice, but most people wouldn't chose to clear slowly anyways, so I doubt it matters much.



That is what I mean.

For jungle, at least, I never use turtle except for holding lane, which actually might be a big thing for mana post blue, but idk.
Freeeeeeedom
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 22 2013 07:28 GMT
#923
On March 22 2013 16:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 16:07 cLutZ wrote:
On March 22 2013 16:01 Magus wrote:
On March 22 2013 15:46 SagaZ wrote:
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^

First hit procs the Pheonix now though so you do your damage slightly faster. You lose 20-60 damage on the AoE waves, 4-12 damage per Pheonix proc, and 8-24 AD, in return for dealing a Pheonix proc on your first hit. The only part of that that kinda sucks is losing the AD.

The Pheonix clear times shouldn't be that much slower after the change, and he'll run faster. The issue is he'll need blue buff more if they keep Turtle without the mana gain per hit.



Eh. Using turtle is so random. For me at least. Ami doing stuff wrong?

You used to use turtle for the shield and immediately leave back to pheonix for a fast clear, or you would use pheonix for the aoe and immediately go to turtle for a safe clear (maybe you're behind or almost dead etc.) You choose which you want, fast clear at the cost of hp/mana, or a slow clear. Not many champions have that choice, but most people wouldn't chose to clear slowly anyways, so I doubt it matters much.


if I have blue I use turtle when I'm incoming @ the camp as well
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 22 2013 07:35 GMT
#924
I'd imagine that with the changes you'd go turtle->(get to camp)->phoenix->4 autos->repeat so long as you had blue buff. Clear speed is probably going to be roughly equivalent since you lose a whole bunch of AD/AP on the phoenix activation.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 22 2013 08:24 GMT
#925
Oh shit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1asf9f/cj_entus_frost_woong_retired/

Frost best team now trololol
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
March 22 2013 09:02 GMT
#926
Wow, some news to wake up to.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
March 22 2013 09:16 GMT
#927
I've always disliked Woong. This is good news for me at least. I can start to enjoy Frost more now.
EG<3
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 22 2013 09:18 GMT
#928
No more fck Woong suck any more.

Gonna miss that guy.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
March 22 2013 09:19 GMT
#929
omg woong. He reminded me of one of my friends. I'm gonna miss that guy
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
March 22 2013 09:26 GMT
#930
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=54945&iskin=esports

Some points in there.
- According to the coach, "Woong had been personally preparing to make IEM the last tournament. It is not a result of any team conflict, but because the player wanted to leave on his own the team decided had to let him go. Everyone is very sad to see an old teammate leave. We will support him to go in the direction he desire."

- Regarding Hermes, "Hermes is very diligent, and has good synergy with Madlife. Madlife is satisfied with the new partnership. He works well with the other teammates so there should be no issues with teamwork. Look forward to CJ Frost in the spring season."
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
March 22 2013 09:29 GMT
#931
"Yiliang Peng ‏@CLGDoublelift 42m
Hotshot just realized he bought a plane ticket that departed yesterday"

"George Georgallidis ‏@CLG_HotshotGG 35m
OH MY GOD, I BOUGHT A PLANE TICKET FOR YESTERDAY AND I FORGOT TO READ MY EMAIL. GOING TO BE AT PAX ONE DAY LATE, #@F)@$@$"

Good lord....
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 22 2013 09:48 GMT
#932
Time for a new era of Korean ADCs.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 10:10:39
March 22 2013 10:09 GMT
#933
On March 22 2013 18:29 Live2Win wrote:
"Yiliang Peng ‏@CLGDoublelift 42m
Hotshot just realized he bought a plane ticket that departed yesterday"

"George Georgallidis ‏@CLG_HotshotGG 35m
OH MY GOD, I BOUGHT A PLANE TICKET FOR YESTERDAY AND I FORGOT TO READ MY EMAIL. GOING TO BE AT PAX ONE DAY LATE, #@F)@$@$"

Good lord....

So fucking unprofessional; I thought that's the whole point of a team manager. To fucking manage this shit.

Not to fucking mention, shit like PAX is planned MONTHS in advanced, and purchasing your tickets early saves a shit ton of money, buying it last second is super expensive, and buying it for a wrong flight is super dumb.
liftlift > tsm
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
March 22 2013 10:09 GMT
#934
Lol Hotshot.... flight to an LAN event on the bottom of his priority list
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 22 2013 10:12 GMT
#935
A lot of people hated woong mainly cause of S2 finals, but he was still a solid ad and a coremember of Frost! Can't wait to see madlife's new lanepartner
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 10:12:50
March 22 2013 10:12 GMT
#936
On March 22 2013 19:09 MooMooMugi wrote:
Lol Hotshot.... flight to an LAN event on the bottom of his priority list


An ell ay enn event? Has my life been a lie?
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
March 22 2013 10:14 GMT
#937
Ugh 10 placements is so many, 4w 3l so far but damn if I'm not crazy tired after work and don't want to risk losing to fatigue.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23394 Posts
March 22 2013 10:16 GMT
#938
Why the fuck are they nerfing udyr so hard?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 22 2013 10:28 GMT
#939
There is a LOL Proleague in China going on right now. I think its the equivalent of LCS. WE is crushing everyone right now .

WE vs OMG just over. Coming up is Royal vs Huayi Spider

For people that interested http://lol.tga.plu.cn/live
Terran
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
March 22 2013 10:33 GMT
#940
Misaya *_*
TranslatorBaa!
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