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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 22 2013 04:13 GMT
#901
On March 22 2013 13:09 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:07 kongoline wrote:
lol massive udyr buffs, pretty sure he will be nerfed soon after he becomes fotm

The 12% Armor/MR loss is pretty big, though, as well as no more Mana on Turtle. Will have to say how it falls out.

That was something that was recently added though, he was able to reach raidboss status even before he got the bonus stats. Gap closing has always been a big hindrance for him, so we'll see if adding a bunch of of move speed helps. Udyr just wants them to port Blink Dagger from Dota, he's be so happy.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 22 2013 04:13 GMT
#902
On March 22 2013 13:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:09 Caphe wrote:
Hmm, how Chaox took a break from LOL just to stream soloQ whenever hes awake? I think he is getting replaced and Wildturtle is trying out for the AD carry spot on TSM. Can't explain this any other ways or Am I missing something?



Suspended for not being a team player if reddit can be trusted.


It makes sense if you watched Gamecribs. I'm sad to say I have.
Hey! How you doin'?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 22 2013 04:13 GMT
#903
On March 22 2013 13:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:09 Caphe wrote:
Hmm, how Chaox took a break from LOL just to stream soloQ whenever hes awake? I think he is getting replaced and Wildturtle is trying out for the AD carry spot on TSM. Can't explain this any other ways or Am I missing something?



Suspended for not being a team player if reddit can be trusted.

Oh, I see. Havent visit reddit since forever. Guess I need to do it more. Thx
Terran
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 22 2013 04:20 GMT
#904
On March 22 2013 13:13 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:09 Requizen wrote:
On March 22 2013 13:07 kongoline wrote:
lol massive udyr buffs, pretty sure he will be nerfed soon after he becomes fotm

The 12% Armor/MR loss is pretty big, though, as well as no more Mana on Turtle. Will have to say how it falls out.

That was something that was recently added though, he was able to reach raidboss status even before he got the bonus stats. Gap closing has always been a big hindrance for him, so we'll see if adding a bunch of of move speed helps. Udyr just wants them to port Blink Dagger from Dota, he's be so happy.

It was added to replace the removal of dodge. Monkey's agility used to give him 3% dodge per stack.

If all those changes go through it'll be a net buff to jungle Udyr. The loss in the passive durability is made up for a tiny bit by the shield buffs to Turtle. Turtle losing mana may hurt lane Udyr, but if you take into account the mana cost cuts across the board it'll likely even out.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 22 2013 04:20 GMT
#905
On March 22 2013 13:13 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
On March 22 2013 13:09 Caphe wrote:
Hmm, how Chaox took a break from LOL just to stream soloQ whenever hes awake? I think he is getting replaced and Wildturtle is trying out for the AD carry spot on TSM. Can't explain this any other ways or Am I missing something?



Suspended for not being a team player if reddit can be trusted.

Oh, I see. Havent visit reddit since forever. Guess I need to do it more. Thx


Supposedly he went out to party instead of practicing with the team, and as a result he was disciplined.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 22 2013 04:25 GMT
#906
On March 22 2013 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:13 Caphe wrote:
On March 22 2013 13:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
On March 22 2013 13:09 Caphe wrote:
Hmm, how Chaox took a break from LOL just to stream soloQ whenever hes awake? I think he is getting replaced and Wildturtle is trying out for the AD carry spot on TSM. Can't explain this any other ways or Am I missing something?



Suspended for not being a team player if reddit can be trusted.

Oh, I see. Havent visit reddit since forever. Guess I need to do it more. Thx


Supposedly he went out to party instead of practicing with the team, and as a result he was disciplined.

He probably got disciplined* too when he was at those clubs=
+ Show Spoiler +
*if you know what i mean
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 04:28:28
March 22 2013 04:25 GMT
#907
Anyone know where to watch some pro-level Korean/Chinese streams (if there are any)?

Preferably top/jungle/ad.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 22 2013 04:39 GMT
#908
On March 22 2013 13:25 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone know where to watch some pro-level Korean/Chinese streams (if there are any)?

Preferably top/jungle/ad.

TPA has streams on Azubu.tv, though none are live atm. Not exactly what you asked for, but close.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 22 2013 05:04 GMT
#909
On March 22 2013 13:25 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone know where to watch some pro-level Korean/Chinese streams (if there are any)?

Preferably top/jungle/ad.

TPA streams on Twitch but none of them stream anything for the last month or so. Toyz used to stream alot a few months ago.

Mainland Chinese teams like WE/iG don't even know what is Twich but they do stream on Chinese platform like YY(a client like Mumble/Vent but has a stream build-in feature) or QTalk(same as YY but QTalk is a product of Tencent). But all mainland Chinese streams have really bad quality even for people in China(like sub 360p).

I don't really know about Korean teams, but I guess they stream on Afreeca?
Terran
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
March 22 2013 05:42 GMT
#910
On March 22 2013 13:10 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 13:09 Requizen wrote:
On March 22 2013 13:07 kongoline wrote:
lol massive udyr buffs, pretty sure he will be nerfed soon after he becomes fotm

The 12% Armor/MR loss is pretty big, though, as well as no more Mana on Turtle. Will have to say how it falls out.


Innervating Locket pls.


they should cut udyr down to three abilities and just have his ult give him locket.
:3
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 22 2013 05:53 GMT
#911
So udyr's going to be quite a bit faster now, and a bit faster at jungle as well.

Also bear now ignore's collision. I can see why they nerfed the tiger proc to do physical now. If you want to gank on udyr though, man will it be scary. Tiger->bear->phoenix->one more tiger will do an amazing amount of damage with only 2 autos needed. He's going to be pretty fucking scary with flash up.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 22 2013 05:55 GMT
#912
On March 22 2013 13:25 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone know where to watch some pro-level Korean/Chinese streams (if there are any)?

Preferably top/jungle/ad.


Westdoor
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 06:14:55
March 22 2013 06:10 GMT
#913
Udyr buffs look nice, but I still dunno why you would play him when Vi exists. Two gap closers, one of which cannot be intercepted real good I hear.

Oh, and her clear is ridiculously fast.

Side note, does anyone feel like it nerfs lanedyr a bit? No mana on turtle really sucks, and his mixed damage on tiger made him terror to fight.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 22 2013 06:15 GMT
#914
Uh oh, Hotshot supporting Doublelift in soloq, Aphro better watch out.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 22 2013 06:31 GMT
#915
On March 22 2013 15:10 Cloud9157 wrote:
Udyr buffs look nice, but I still dunno why you would play him when Vi exists. Two gap closers, one of which cannot be intercepted real good I hear.

Oh, and her clear is ridiculously fast.

Side note, does anyone feel like it nerfs lanedyr a bit? No mana on turtle really sucks, and his mixed damage on tiger made him terror to fight.

No mana on turtle sucks, but up to 10% mana cost reduction on his abilities is pretty big.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
March 22 2013 06:36 GMT
#916
On March 22 2013 15:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Uh oh, Hotshot supporting Doublelift in soloq, Aphro better watch out.



Lololol
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 22 2013 06:46 GMT
#917
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 22 2013 06:50 GMT
#918
On March 22 2013 15:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Uh oh, Hotshot supporting Doublelift in soloq, Aphro better watch out.


Went on azubu and couldn't see which streams are live. God that site sucks -_- .
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
March 22 2013 07:01 GMT
#919
On March 22 2013 15:46 SagaZ wrote:
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^

First hit procs the Pheonix now though so you do your damage slightly faster. You lose 20-60 damage on the AoE waves, 4-12 damage per Pheonix proc, and 8-24 AD, in return for dealing a Pheonix proc on your first hit. The only part of that that kinda sucks is losing the AD.

The Pheonix clear times shouldn't be that much slower after the change, and he'll run faster. The issue is he'll need blue buff more if they keep Turtle without the mana gain per hit.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 22 2013 07:07 GMT
#920
On March 22 2013 16:01 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 15:46 SagaZ wrote:
IDK about jungle udyr. Phoenix lost alot of damage, maybe tiger if changes go trought? He's gonna be a speedy mofo tho ^^

First hit procs the Pheonix now though so you do your damage slightly faster. You lose 20-60 damage on the AoE waves, 4-12 damage per Pheonix proc, and 8-24 AD, in return for dealing a Pheonix proc on your first hit. The only part of that that kinda sucks is losing the AD.

The Pheonix clear times shouldn't be that much slower after the change, and he'll run faster. The issue is he'll need blue buff more if they keep Turtle without the mana gain per hit.



Eh. Using turtle is so random. For me at least. Ami doing stuff wrong?
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