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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 21 2013 12:32 GMT
#721
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.
Retvrn to Forvms
Wrag
Profile Joined February 2012
France124 Posts
March 21 2013 12:36 GMT
#722
On March 21 2013 21:23 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:02 Chrispy wrote:
I am of the opinion that hybrid runes are OP as shit and if your champion can in any way shape or form make use of them then do so. Supports, mages that auto attack, tanks that deal phsyical and magic.

Also after hours of insanely boring tests I have come to the conclusion that Riot does not keep track of your internal crit chance. I used one .28% crit chance glyph and played like 10 custom matches and auto attacked mindlessly (in total of all my matches I'd say I auto attacked AT LEAST 10,000 times) and checked the stats recap afterwards and each time I deal zero critical damage after every one of my matches. So if it doesn't record .28% I would say that it also doesn't record .56% and instead just rounds it up to 1%. Why does it do this? IDK. Bug maybe, but if so its been bugged for a long ass time. It does keeps track of the decimal points in other stats, like AD for example so I have no explanation for why Riot would not take into consideration crit chance too, but da stats dont lie doe.

I tried to make a macro to test this out even further but I am not a wizard. But still I'm confident in my LoL SCIENCE and I will give one cookie to anybody who can get a crit with either one crit glyph or one crit seal.


Even if you attacked only 1000 times you'd only have a 6% chance of never critting like you did, at 10,000 trials the odds are 6*10^(-11)%.. I'd say you were thorough enough XD

They did smooth crit out so it isn't purely random but it's still trying to imitate the random system. The descrepancy probably comes from that switch in which case it's possible that .56% crit would never crit either. How much crit do you run on gangplank to get those random crits?


I'd question the stats recap screen before anything else (were you afking under tower with your champ AAing incoming creeps or actively playing - might have missed crit visuals?). On the other hand, if RIOT's pseudo-random number generator is anything like the DoTA one, 10k would make you crit a number of times very close to the "expected" 28.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 21 2013 12:39 GMT
#723
No I wasn't AFKing. God damn golems unaggro and return to their home every 20 shots or so. I've got the replays too. I'm 100% sure there were no crits.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 21 2013 12:42 GMT
#724
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 21 2013 12:45 GMT
#725
On March 21 2013 21:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.


And what evidence do you have to support this claim, good sir? My claim is backed by SCIENCE. If the system rounds down (.28% to 0.0%), why would it not round up? TOMFOOLERY, I SAY.
Retvrn to Forvms
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 21 2013 12:46 GMT
#726
www.twitch.tv/garenatw TPA vs NJ Shield

MAKNOON VS STANLEY
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 12:53:25
March 21 2013 12:53 GMT
#727
On March 21 2013 21:46 Mensol wrote:
www.twitch.tv/garenatw TPA vs NJ Shield

MAKNOON VS STANLEY


STANLEY be smashing yo.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2013 12:56 GMT
#728
What do you guys think of Life Steal Quints on ADs? I've been testing them out and I personally only notice them on Vayne and I think Varus was the other one.

Only reason I invested in them is I've seen Cop and Chaox and I think Doublelift play with them.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#729
On March 21 2013 21:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:46 Mensol wrote:
www.twitch.tv/garenatw TPA vs NJ Shield

MAKNOON VS STANLEY


STANLEY be smashing yo.

Taiwan too stronkkkkkkkkkkk

ad kennen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 21 2013 12:58 GMT
#730
On March 21 2013 21:56 Shotcoder wrote:
What do you guys think of Life Steal Quints on ADs? I've been testing them out and I personally only notice them on Vayne and I think Varus was the other one.

Only reason I invested in them is I've seen Cop and Chaox and I think Doublelift play with them.


I think every NA AD runs lifesteal quints these days. Lifesteal quints + Dblade = Lots of sustain.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 13:03:04
March 21 2013 13:02 GMT
#731
On March 21 2013 21:45 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.


And what evidence do you have to support this claim, good sir? My claim is backed by SCIENCE. If the system rounds down (.28% to 0.0%), why would it not round up? TOMFOOLERY, I SAY.

Is the crit algorithm still intuitive? I read that your first shot starts below your crit % and then goes up until you crit, then it resets. It's possible that with too low a % it never climbs to where it doesn't get rounded down to 0.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 13:19:37
March 21 2013 13:18 GMT
#732
On March 21 2013 21:45 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.


And what evidence do you have to support this claim, good sir? My claim is backed by SCIENCE. If the system rounds down (.28% to 0.0%), why would it not round up? TOMFOOLERY, I SAY.

Riot said so. So the only other options are we were told a blanket mostly truth or the Rioter was misinformed.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 13:27:23
March 21 2013 13:24 GMT
#733
Maknoon playing DUNKMASTER against stanley's jarvan.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 13:25:29
March 21 2013 13:24 GMT
#734
On March 21 2013 22:18 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:45 Chrispy wrote:
On March 21 2013 21:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.


And what evidence do you have to support this claim, good sir? My claim is backed by SCIENCE. If the system rounds down (.28% to 0.0%), why would it not round up? TOMFOOLERY, I SAY.

Riot said so. So the only other options are we were told a blanket mostly truth or the Rioter was misinformed.

Riot said so in the context of fractional points of AD, crit was not brought up in that conversation.

Chrispy even acknowledged this.


On March 21 2013 21:02 Chrispy wrote:
I am of the opinion that hybrid runes are OP as shit and if your champion can in any way shape or form make use of them then do so. Supports, mages that auto attack, tanks that deal phsyical and magic.

Also after hours of insanely boring tests I have come to the conclusion that Riot does not keep track of your internal crit chance. I used one .28% crit chance glyph and played like 10 custom matches and auto attacked mindlessly (in total of all my matches I'd say I auto attacked AT LEAST 10,000 times) and checked the stats recap afterwards and each time I deal zero critical damage after every one of my matches. So if it doesn't record .28% I would say that it also doesn't record .56% and instead just rounds it up to 1%. Why does it do this? IDK. Bug maybe, but if so its been bugged for a long ass time. It does keeps track of the decimal points in other stats, like AD for example so I have no explanation for why Riot would not take into consideration crit chance too, but da stats dont lie doe.

I tried to make a macro to test this out even further but I am not a wizard. But still I'm confident in my LoL SCIENCE and I will give one cookie to anybody who can get a crit with either one crit glyph or one crit seal.

overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 21 2013 13:26 GMT
#735
On March 21 2013 21:56 Shotcoder wrote:
What do you guys think of Life Steal Quints on ADs? I've been testing them out and I personally only notice them on Vayne and I think Varus was the other one.

Only reason I invested in them is I've seen Cop and Chaox and I think Doublelift play with them.


I've been running them since the start of Season 3. You trade a little bit of damage early for more lane sustain and the ability to delay life steal. They're incredibly good if you want to IE rush on whatever AD you're playing and even if you go BT rush I feel like they're better over all since life steal became a much harder to get stat (as well as being more expensive).

On March 21 2013 21:58 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:56 Shotcoder wrote:
What do you guys think of Life Steal Quints on ADs? I've been testing them out and I personally only notice them on Vayne and I think Varus was the other one.

Only reason I invested in them is I've seen Cop and Chaox and I think Doublelift play with them.


I think every NA AD runs lifesteal quints these days. Lifesteal quints + Dblade = Lots of sustain.


For real? I remember like day one of S3 advocating them and no one listened to me. The only reason I can think of to go AD quints is if you're really looking to get early game kills but most competitive games have lane swaps and frankly if you're looking to really pressure your opponent in the early game armpen quints are probably better for that. So yeah, life steal quints all the way unless Riot makes life steal cheaper/easier to get.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 21 2013 13:28 GMT
#736
Looks like it's actually Lilballz on taric jungle and Stanley is on J4
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 21 2013 13:30 GMT
#737
On March 21 2013 22:28 sylverfyre wrote:
Looks like it's actually Lilballz on taric jungle and Stanley is on J4

yep :/ they changed it last second
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 21 2013 13:32 GMT
#738
That Toyz play to catch Volibear was so good.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 21 2013 13:34 GMT
#739
On March 21 2013 21:45 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2013 21:32 Chrispy wrote:
I run the standard one red crit.

.56% Crit definitely works, TRIED & TESTED. Not sure if it's actually 1 in 100 or 1 in ~200 though, but like I said before I'm leaning towards 1 in 100.


It doesn't round.


And what evidence do you have to support this claim, good sir? My claim is backed by SCIENCE. If the system rounds down (.28% to 0.0%), why would it not round up? TOMFOOLERY, I SAY.


I did a small test with 576 trials in the jungle with warwick and got 2 crits. It's not solid but .56% crit chance has a 20% probability of producing that result while 1% crit chance has a 5% probability of producing that result. It's likely that it doesn't round up but my test is way too small to be proof. I admire your patience.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 21 2013 13:38 GMT
#740
lulu top is obnoxious, wonder if riot plans to address it
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