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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 06:07:05
March 02 2013 06:06 GMT
#361
iirc there was talk of first and last being by Elo and the middle 3 being random. I think it was brought up in feralpony's thread.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 06:09:12
March 02 2013 06:08 GMT
#362
On March 02 2013 14:45 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 14:36 samthesaluki wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest

On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently.

Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance.


duo with someone much higher elo than you he like 90% of time he will be first and u will be last pick


As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks.

Duos that are very close will almost always get 4th+5th due to the MMR matchmaking bonus they get for being duo queued.

This is ranked only, not normal drafts.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
March 02 2013 06:18 GMT
#363
anyone remember how there used to be 6v6 twisted treeline games? that shit was so fun
BW -> League -> CSGO
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
March 02 2013 06:23 GMT
#364
this might interest one of you maths guys, but the SEA servers have not taken down their ladders page which shows 'hidden' elo http://lol.garena.com/ladders/solo-5v5
cool beans
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 02 2013 06:24 GMT
#365
Just played a ranked with a Vayne that rushed bork, and good god, she killed everything. The combination of new bork+Vayne buff is just insane.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 02 2013 06:25 GMT
#366
On March 02 2013 11:25 Cloud9157 wrote:
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On March 02 2013 09:16 kainzero wrote:
i think morgana is still good. nothing really happened to her, i think we just had a period of new aps being ridiculously strong on release (zyra/diana) and the rise of ad mid.

a lot of times i feel heroes fall out of favor and then people come up with excuses as to why they're not played, when the real reason is that they're just not popular anymore


Shes still a solid pick, but the popular ones now offer just as much utility.

Look at Lux, arguably the best AP mid right now. She has silly burst damage, but it comes in the form of utility, allowing her to either pick off squishies if she lands her whole combo as well as allow her to sit back and defend her carry against the top+mid with 4k health from diving on them. Very optimal pick, with Kayle being nearly the exact same thing as she is, just with a different form of damage.

With that said, I wouldn't be too surprised if she came back into favor if aoe comps came back. I still remember from WCG waaaaaay back in 2011 where that Poland team ran GP+Kennen+Morgana+Nunu and then Vayne. They just played protect the Vayne with their ults and constant cc, allowing Vayne to pick them off as they got to her. Canada couldn't do a damn thing about the sheer amount of cc they had.

I've wanted aoe to come back into favor, as it is the ultimate way to counter dive comps.

in teamfights, morgana has a hard initiate with flash+ult and lux doesn't have that.
also black shield prevents cc, lux's shield doesn't.

i'm not saying that to say "OOOH YOU'RE WRONG" but i just think she has different utility that can be considered in some comps. and you are probably right that lux fits more comps.

i just wish people would think of how to mix and match heroes instead of thinking which ones are OP.

On March 02 2013 14:27 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On March 02 2013 14:26 Sedzz wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:40 Alaric wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere.

Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are.


Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything.


It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale.

Elo is still there, there're just the cosmetic tiers and League Points, and the hidden Elo system governing the matchmaking. So apart from the fact that there's no one true Elo hell, assuming you'd be in one it's exactly the same thing as before since your LP gains aren't precisely correlated to Elo gains.


I should've clarified myself more. It's comparitively harder to actually progress through leagues (ie bronze to silver) but it is easier to track your progress that you've made and it looks cosmetically appealing to players who don't care (even though these players shouldn't be playing ranked)

Oh and ELO hell definitely does exist.

You're not going to make a lot of friends here with that attitude, fair warning.

well not a lot of friends are made here, period. lol
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 02 2013 06:26 GMT
#367
On March 02 2013 14:45 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 14:36 samthesaluki wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest

On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently.

Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance.


duo with someone much higher elo than you he like 90% of time he will be first and u will be last pick


As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks.


Duo queues are not always first and last...
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Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 02 2013 06:47 GMT
#368

i just wish people would think of how to mix and match heroes instead of thinking which ones are OP.


Id love to see this. That being said, @ Silver level people dont even bother to learn champions, they play the "op ones" (even I did it, ashamed to say), half-ass them and win 3-4 games. Then they stop winning with them, pick a new one, and rinse/repeat. And Im pretty sure that happens at higher Elo as well.

People would have to start objectively looking at champions instead of doing that.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 02 2013 06:47 GMT
#369
On March 02 2013 15:05 Craton wrote:
You could get out of Elo hell if you built more gold per 10 items, played tanks instead of bruisers, and took AD reds instead of ARP.

Piece of cake.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Or play Yorick.


+ Show Spoiler +
Hue.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 02 2013 06:47 GMT
#370
On March 02 2013 13:45 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 13:43 dae wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:45 Dusty wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere.

Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are.


Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything.


It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale.


Elo hell? What is that?


The place tat only exists for support mains


Leona begs to differ.


Leona is 50/50. Her ulti is amazing, but her EQ needs followup or you're just dead.

Now Thresh, that's a support that can carry.
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HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 06:55:59
March 02 2013 06:52 GMT
#371
I'm confused about how any player can find Akali enjoyable or even playable. It seems to me that she loses exchanges to nearly every champ who bothers putting a pink down in the lane.

Maybe it's because I run MPen Marks/Movespeed Quints? But I don't think so. I've played Akali game after game with dismal performance every time.


I seriously give up. I hate this champ, I think she's trash tier, and nothing will change my mind short of a Korean using it in a tournament. It seems to me like playing Akali is an excuse for another player to throw pinks in the lane (I know some who've bought 5 pinks in under 15 minutes against me), destroy you in exchanges, and then trash talk you. Because that's always what happens.
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 02 2013 06:52 GMT
#372
sona can also carry pretty hard. shes weak early besides the harass but once she gets a few items on her shes tanky as shit and can do a lot of damage/cc/heal in teamfight
I come in for the scraps
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 06:53:18
March 02 2013 06:53 GMT
#373
On March 02 2013 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 13:45 xMiragex wrote:
On March 02 2013 13:43 dae wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:45 Dusty wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:
On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere.

Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are.


Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything.


It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale.


Elo hell? What is that?


The place tat only exists for support mains


Leona begs to differ.


Leona is 50/50. Her ulti is amazing, but her EQ needs followup or you're just dead.

Now Thresh, that's a support that can carry.


Yeah, Thresh has so much damn control over with all his cc. Leona though, is probably more like 70/30, where if you teammate isnt braindead then you can play out her lane - or you farm out the lane and then destroy face with your ult in teamfights.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 02 2013 06:55 GMT
#374
Why did people even stop playing support cow? I know he is seeing a lot more play from LCS, but when they buffed his headbutt again I thought that would encourage more play from him.

Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc).
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 02 2013 06:58 GMT
#375
On March 02 2013 15:55 Cloud9157 wrote:
Why did people even stop playing support cow? I know he is seeing a lot more play from LCS, but when they buffed his headbutt again I thought that would encourage more play from him.

Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc).


hes pretty horrible against taric, he shines against poke due to his spammable heal. I would like alistar against like lulu or sona. breaks CC and shrugs off their harass and can engage at will
I come in for the scraps
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 02 2013 06:59 GMT
#376
On March 02 2013 15:52 HughMyron wrote:
I'm confused about how any player can find Akali enjoyable or even playable. It seems to me that she loses exchanges to nearly every champ who bothers putting a pink down in the lane.

Maybe it's because I run MPen Marks/Movespeed Quints? But I don't think so. I've played Akali game after game with dismal performance every time.


I seriously give up. I hate this champ, I think she's trash tier, and nothing will change my mind short of a Korean using it in a tournament.


Ive heard people complain about Akali's opness, but I feel you. She has, though, been picked in the LCS quite a few times and carried real hard. Her lategame is so intimidating that if you even get out of lane not super far behind. Ive seen westrice also immediately go for lane ganks after 6, even playing from top. Id watch him, wings, and any other serious top laner- Im pretty sure everyone has picked her up.

And I know those feels - Ahri is obnoxiously difficult for me - and for all of my work into her I still dont feel like playing her in ranked. I waste my ult 1nce I am useless in teamfights. Mid/lategame I dont know how to exploit charm, and 3000 hp bruisers ignore my damage.

So depresssing >.>
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 07:02:30
March 02 2013 07:01 GMT
#377
On March 02 2013 15:59 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 15:52 HughMyron wrote:
I'm confused about how any player can find Akali enjoyable or even playable. It seems to me that she loses exchanges to nearly every champ who bothers putting a pink down in the lane.

Maybe it's because I run MPen Marks/Movespeed Quints? But I don't think so. I've played Akali game after game with dismal performance every time.


I seriously give up. I hate this champ, I think she's trash tier, and nothing will change my mind short of a Korean using it in a tournament.


Ive heard people complain about Akali's opness, but I feel you. She has, though, been picked in the LCS quite a few times and carried real hard. Her lategame is so intimidating that if you even get out of lane not super far behind. Ive seen westrice also immediately go for lane ganks after 6, even playing from top. Id watch him, wings, and any other serious top laner- Im pretty sure everyone has picked her up.

And I know those feels - Ahri is obnoxiously difficult for me - and for all of my work into her I still dont feel like playing her in ranked. I waste my ult 1nce I am useless in teamfights. Mid/lategame I dont know how to exploit charm, and 3000 hp bruisers ignore my damage.

So depresssing >.>



But the Asians haven't picked her up, right? And everyone knows they'll always be better than us.

I guess there's nothing left to do but root against Akali players lol.

I dunno, Top or Mid I don't see her doing well against opponents who will readily throw down pinks to ruin your day.
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 02 2013 07:02 GMT
#378
Just realized Taric's passive is doubled versus champs.

I think they've actually made him strong enough to be played as a very legit top.
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Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 02 2013 07:02 GMT
#379
On March 02 2013 15:55 Cloud9157 wrote:
Why did people even stop playing support cow? I know he is seeing a lot more play from LCS, but when they buffed his headbutt again I thought that would encourage more play from him.

Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc).


Because he got nerfed (to stop him from jungle). People had stopped playing him support because he was better in the jungle, and then after he left, Taric was left as the dominant tank support (I mean really hes been op for the longest time). Then s3 started and noone picked him up again.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
March 02 2013 07:04 GMT
#380
On March 02 2013 16:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Just realized Taric's passive is doubled versus champs.

I think they've actually made him strong enough to be played as a very legit top.


I'm not sure if he'd do well at top with AP top laners being so popular. Now jungle Taric... that's something
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