EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 19
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 02 2013 14:45 CatharsisUT wrote: As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks. Duos that are very close will almost always get 4th+5th due to the MMR matchmaking bonus they get for being duo queued. This is ranked only, not normal drafts. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:25 Cloud9157 wrote: Shes still a solid pick, but the popular ones now offer just as much utility. Look at Lux, arguably the best AP mid right now. She has silly burst damage, but it comes in the form of utility, allowing her to either pick off squishies if she lands her whole combo as well as allow her to sit back and defend her carry against the top+mid with 4k health from diving on them. Very optimal pick, with Kayle being nearly the exact same thing as she is, just with a different form of damage. With that said, I wouldn't be too surprised if she came back into favor if aoe comps came back. I still remember from WCG waaaaaay back in 2011 where that Poland team ran GP+Kennen+Morgana+Nunu and then Vayne. They just played protect the Vayne with their ults and constant cc, allowing Vayne to pick them off as they got to her. Canada couldn't do a damn thing about the sheer amount of cc they had. I've wanted aoe to come back into favor, as it is the ultimate way to counter dive comps. in teamfights, morgana has a hard initiate with flash+ult and lux doesn't have that. also black shield prevents cc, lux's shield doesn't. i'm not saying that to say "OOOH YOU'RE WRONG" but i just think she has different utility that can be considered in some comps. and you are probably right that lux fits more comps. i just wish people would think of how to mix and match heroes instead of thinking which ones are OP. On March 02 2013 14:27 onlywonderboy wrote: You're not going to make a lot of friends here with that attitude, fair warning. well not a lot of friends are made here, period. lol | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7222 Posts
On March 02 2013 14:45 CatharsisUT wrote: As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks. Duo queues are not always first and last... | ||
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
i just wish people would think of how to mix and match heroes instead of thinking which ones are OP. Id love to see this. That being said, @ Silver level people dont even bother to learn champions, they play the "op ones" (even I did it, ashamed to say), half-ass them and win 3-4 games. Then they stop winning with them, pick a new one, and rinse/repeat. And Im pretty sure that happens at higher Elo as well. People would have to start objectively looking at champions instead of doing that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:05 Craton wrote: You could get out of Elo hell if you built more gold per 10 items, played tanks instead of bruisers, and took AD reds instead of ARP. Piece of cake. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/devil.gif) Or play Yorick. + Show Spoiler + Hue. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Leona is 50/50. Her ulti is amazing, but her EQ needs followup or you're just dead. Now Thresh, that's a support that can carry. | ||
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HughMyron
297 Posts
Maybe it's because I run MPen Marks/Movespeed Quints? But I don't think so. I've played Akali game after game with dismal performance every time. I seriously give up. I hate this champ, I think she's trash tier, and nothing will change my mind short of a Korean using it in a tournament. It seems to me like playing Akali is an excuse for another player to throw pinks in the lane (I know some who've bought 5 pinks in under 15 minutes against me), destroy you in exchanges, and then trash talk you. Because that's always what happens. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:47 ticklishmusic wrote: Leona is 50/50. Her ulti is amazing, but her EQ needs followup or you're just dead. Now Thresh, that's a support that can carry. Yeah, Thresh has so much damn control over with all his cc. Leona though, is probably more like 70/30, where if you teammate isnt braindead then you can play out her lane - or you farm out the lane and then destroy face with your ult in teamfights. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc). | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:55 Cloud9157 wrote: Why did people even stop playing support cow? I know he is seeing a lot more play from LCS, but when they buffed his headbutt again I thought that would encourage more play from him. Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc). hes pretty horrible against taric, he shines against poke due to his spammable heal. I would like alistar against like lulu or sona. breaks CC and shrugs off their harass and can engage at will | ||
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:52 HughMyron wrote: I'm confused about how any player can find Akali enjoyable or even playable. It seems to me that she loses exchanges to nearly every champ who bothers putting a pink down in the lane. Maybe it's because I run MPen Marks/Movespeed Quints? But I don't think so. I've played Akali game after game with dismal performance every time. I seriously give up. I hate this champ, I think she's trash tier, and nothing will change my mind short of a Korean using it in a tournament. Ive heard people complain about Akali's opness, but I feel you. She has, though, been picked in the LCS quite a few times and carried real hard. Her lategame is so intimidating that if you even get out of lane not super far behind. Ive seen westrice also immediately go for lane ganks after 6, even playing from top. Id watch him, wings, and any other serious top laner- Im pretty sure everyone has picked her up. And I know those feels - Ahri is obnoxiously difficult for me - and for all of my work into her I still dont feel like playing her in ranked. I waste my ult 1nce I am useless in teamfights. Mid/lategame I dont know how to exploit charm, and 3000 hp bruisers ignore my damage. So depresssing >.> | ||
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HughMyron
297 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:59 Purge wrote: Ive heard people complain about Akali's opness, but I feel you. She has, though, been picked in the LCS quite a few times and carried real hard. Her lategame is so intimidating that if you even get out of lane not super far behind. Ive seen westrice also immediately go for lane ganks after 6, even playing from top. Id watch him, wings, and any other serious top laner- Im pretty sure everyone has picked her up. And I know those feels - Ahri is obnoxiously difficult for me - and for all of my work into her I still dont feel like playing her in ranked. I waste my ult 1nce I am useless in teamfights. Mid/lategame I dont know how to exploit charm, and 3000 hp bruisers ignore my damage. So depresssing >.> But the Asians haven't picked her up, right? And everyone knows they'll always be better than us. I guess there's nothing left to do but root against Akali players lol. I dunno, Top or Mid I don't see her doing well against opponents who will readily throw down pinks to ruin your day. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I think they've actually made him strong enough to be played as a very legit top. | ||
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
On March 02 2013 15:55 Cloud9157 wrote: Why did people even stop playing support cow? I know he is seeing a lot more play from LCS, but when they buffed his headbutt again I thought that would encourage more play from him. Always saw him as a "counter" to Taric. Strong counter-engage as well as better late game presence(dat cc). Because he got nerfed (to stop him from jungle). People had stopped playing him support because he was better in the jungle, and then after he left, Taric was left as the dominant tank support (I mean really hes been op for the longest time). Then s3 started and noone picked him up again. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On March 02 2013 16:02 ticklishmusic wrote: Just realized Taric's passive is doubled versus champs. I think they've actually made him strong enough to be played as a very legit top. I'm not sure if he'd do well at top with AP top laners being so popular. Now jungle Taric... that's something | ||
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