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On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale.
Kinda exactly how I feel. One bad day and you drop a tier or two and it feels so difficult to get back to where you were.
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On March 02 2013 13:50 Brambled wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale. Kinda exactly how I feel. One bad day and you drop a tier or two and it feels so difficult to get back to where you were.
Except MMR is exactly the same mechanism as before, its just your epeen that looks smaller.
When you're at a point that you're winning 2 pts a game and losing 20 pts a loss, its because according to your Elo you are lower than the game wants you to be in league ranking. So you have to win a bunch of games to bring Elo up first.
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what's odd about the points is that when i was in div 1 to promotion i got 26-29 points every game per win and i was expecting a shit ton more games. i was even at 93 points and hit 100 to get into the series
also... does anyone know how pick order works? it doesn't seem to be points but i was above a diamond 2 player the other day when i was plat 1
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On March 02 2013 13:55 wussleeQ wrote:
what's odd about the points is that when i was in div 1 to promotion i got 26-29 points every game per win and i was expecting a shit ton more games. i was even at 93 points and hit 100 to get into the series
also... does anyone know how pick order works? it doesn't seem to be points but i was above a diamond 2 player the other day when i was plat 1
pick order was randomized, I thought, last season in one of the patches. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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On March 02 2013 14:01 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:55 wussleeQ wrote:
what's odd about the points is that when i was in div 1 to promotion i got 26-29 points every game per win and i was expecting a shit ton more games. i was even at 93 points and hit 100 to get into the series
also... does anyone know how pick order works? it doesn't seem to be points but i was above a diamond 2 player the other day when i was plat 1 pick order was randomized, I thought, last season in one of the patches. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
It should be the same as Season 2. The highest ELO (now MMR) is first pick, and the rest are randomized.
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On March 02 2013 14:01 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:55 wussleeQ wrote:
what's odd about the points is that when i was in div 1 to promotion i got 26-29 points every game per win and i was expecting a shit ton more games. i was even at 93 points and hit 100 to get into the series
also... does anyone know how pick order works? it doesn't seem to be points but i was above a diamond 2 player the other day when i was plat 1 pick order was randomized, I thought, last season in one of the patches. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
This one was for normals only. It was implemented at the same point where they removed the queuing pick advantage since people who were queuing alone were basically never getting to first pick.
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On March 02 2013 14:04 samthesaluki wrote:
it wasnt randomized
....thank you for your insightful post.
On March 02 2013 14:07 Goumindong wrote:
This one was for normals only. It was implemented at the same point where they removed the queuing pick advantage since people who were queuing alone were basically never getting to first pick.
On March 02 2013 14:03 SoraLimit wrote:
It should be the same as Season 2. The highest ELO (now MMR) is first pick, and the rest are randomized.
Ah ok, Thanks for clarifying.
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^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest
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On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest
On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently.
Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance.
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On March 02 2013 12:40 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale. Elo is still there, there're just the cosmetic tiers and League Points, and the hidden Elo system governing the matchmaking. So apart from the fact that there's no one true Elo hell, assuming you'd be in one it's exactly the same thing as before since your LP gains aren't precisely correlated to Elo gains.
I should've clarified myself more. It's comparitively harder to actually progress through leagues (ie bronze to silver) but it is easier to track your progress that you've made and it looks cosmetically appealing to players who don't care (even though these players shouldn't be playing ranked)
Oh and ELO hell definitely does exist.
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On March 02 2013 14:26 Sedzz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:40 Alaric wrote:On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale. Elo is still there, there're just the cosmetic tiers and League Points, and the hidden Elo system governing the matchmaking. So apart from the fact that there's no one true Elo hell, assuming you'd be in one it's exactly the same thing as before since your LP gains aren't precisely correlated to Elo gains. I should've clarified myself more. It's comparitively harder to actually progress through leagues (ie bronze to silver) but it is easier to track your progress that you've made and it looks cosmetically appealing to players who don't care (even though these players shouldn't be playing ranked) Oh and ELO hell definitely does exist.
You're not going to make a lot of friends here with that attitude, fair warning.
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On March 02 2013 14:27 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:26 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:40 Alaric wrote:On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale. Elo is still there, there're just the cosmetic tiers and League Points, and the hidden Elo system governing the matchmaking. So apart from the fact that there's no one true Elo hell, assuming you'd be in one it's exactly the same thing as before since your LP gains aren't precisely correlated to Elo gains. I should've clarified myself more. It's comparitively harder to actually progress through leagues (ie bronze to silver) but it is easier to track your progress that you've made and it looks cosmetically appealing to players who don't care (even though these players shouldn't be playing ranked) Oh and ELO hell definitely does exist. You're not going to make a lot of friends here with that attitude, fair warning.
That's fine. I can provide plenty of anecdotal experience that ELO hell exists. Regardless if people does not think it does.
Even still, that is irrelevant and is not the point I was trying to make
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On March 02 2013 14:24 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently. Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance.
duo with someone much higher elo than you he like 90% of time he will be first and u will be last pick
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so looks like Quinn decides to break the client.....Lots of people getting crashes when starting matches.
Their website is also offline.
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On March 02 2013 14:36 samthesaluki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently. Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance. duo with someone much higher elo than you he like 90% of time he will be first and u will be last pick
As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks.
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On March 02 2013 14:45 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:36 samthesaluki wrote:On March 02 2013 14:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 02 2013 14:18 samthesaluki wrote:
^^ that isnt true in season 2 it wasnt randomed its highest mmr to lowest On the LoL Wiki it says " In ranked draft, the player with the highest Elo will be selected as captain, and the order of the rest of the team is constructed at random," and that wasn't changed recently. Edit: Although the more I look the less definitive of an answer I find. Opinions seem mixed and I can't find an official Riot stance. duo with someone much higher elo than you he like 90% of time he will be first and u will be last pick As I recall that's the other part of the change they made. Duo queues are always first and last, but that doesn't mean the middle picks are by ELO. My recollection was that they randomized the pick order of all but the first pick so that people wouldn't bitch about ELO during picks.
No, pick order was highest to lowest in S2. 99% sure. Also, duo's weren't necessarily first and last if they were close in elo (personally experienced)
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On March 02 2013 14:33 Sedzz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:27 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 02 2013 14:26 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:40 Alaric wrote:On March 02 2013 12:33 Sedzz wrote:On March 02 2013 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Gahlo wrote:On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere. Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are. Yea but I still don't understand the +2, -20 set up they have in Division one when you get to 90ish points. It makes it nearly impossible to advance at all. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but I constantly get to 94-96 points then lose one game and go back to 75-80 points. I know they want to make it hard to advance but this more demoralizing than anything. It's funny that you mention they want to make it harder to advance when the entire premise of leagues was to make it so people can track progress easier and make it feel like they are accomplishing something with each win. All it's done has made it incredibly hard to break out of ELO hell now and makes playing ranked boring and stale. Elo is still there, there're just the cosmetic tiers and League Points, and the hidden Elo system governing the matchmaking. So apart from the fact that there's no one true Elo hell, assuming you'd be in one it's exactly the same thing as before since your LP gains aren't precisely correlated to Elo gains. I should've clarified myself more. It's comparitively harder to actually progress through leagues (ie bronze to silver) but it is easier to track your progress that you've made and it looks cosmetically appealing to players who don't care (even though these players shouldn't be playing ranked) Oh and ELO hell definitely does exist. You're not going to make a lot of friends here with that attitude, fair warning. That's fine. I can provide plenty of anecdotal experience that ELO hell exists. Regardless if people does not think it does. Even still, that is irrelevant and is not the point I was trying to make
Anecdotal experience != proof.
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You could get out of Elo hell if you built more gold per 10 items, played tanks instead of bruisers, and took AD reds instead of ARP.
Piece of cake.
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yeah duos werent always first and last only if huge elo gap te closer the elo more chance of not being 1st last hence the order goes by elo
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