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On March 02 2013 09:16 kainzero wrote:
i think morgana is still good. nothing really happened to her, i think we just had a period of new aps being ridiculously strong on release (zyra/diana) and the rise of ad mid.
a lot of times i feel heroes fall out of favor and then people come up with excuses as to why they're not played, when the real reason is that they're just not popular anymore
Honestly I'm surprised that Morgana and Kennen both don't come back into flavor with all of these divers. Hard to dive on a team that has Morgana and Kennen.
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Quinn is an absolute blast.
What do you do about skill build? I went QEW R>W > E > Q
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On March 02 2013 09:04 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:15 Purge wrote:http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91217-liandrys-constantly-reapplies-on-dots-doing-no-damage Well, I guess I'm waiting for a fix to buff Brand; I'll have to drop Liandrys until then. Sadface. Well, if they fix it we might see him again, since this explains why people haven't picked him up again in S3 given the synergy Rylais+his passive already have (thought it was odd, given his passive gives a good 4 reprocs for both Rylais and Liandrys). Show nested quote +Btw I still think boots3 is sexy with BotRK early. Also, why dont people get it more often? I mean a solid flat ms increase that will scale with zeal items, slow reduction - it seems like part of an ad carry's wet dream Despite getting a cost efficiency nerf in S3, 'zerker's is still highly cost effective (you're paying 550g for ~670g of AS and the MS). The trade off between the two is basically 15 MS+25% slow resist versus 20% AS+100 gold. Getting BotRK is interesting on Trist: it's definitely a mid-game option over the more "traditional" IE rush, and giving her basically max AS is interesting. The issue though is that the bonus AS tapers off once you pick up heavy crit on her (IE/PD), or late game for her, though I'm definitely going to have to do some maths on that.
They fixed Liandry's - that's what I meant - I linked the confirmation in an earlier post. And also I didnt realize that Zerkers were so cost effective - I was under the impression that they were just ok - but given that oppurtunity cost, I still dont see the point of getting zerkers against the high HP, high CC teams that I see today. You are not going to be able to use the attack speed mid lategame when you are kiting like a motherfucker trying to get away. 15 ms is going to eke out every drop of that kiting potential from the items you have, going to help you dodge all skillshots that you are against, etc.
And you are getting some of all that attack speed from zerkers in BotRK.
Im personally of the opinion that you cant have enough ms because its the best stat in the game (and Riot is too, which is why they put a soft cap on it) though, so maybe thats just me. But again Ill try it before I say much more and see if it plays out like I think it will.
Still imagining being full build Vayne with Boots 3, BotRK, IE/Shiv, Randuins and Last Whisper. That would be so fun 
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On March 02 2013 09:24 nohbrows wrote:
Quinn is an absolute blast.
What do you do about skill build? I went QEW R>W > E > Q
Max E followed by Q, since it seems better for harass and only costs 50 flat mana, no scaling unlike Q.
EQW, R>E>Q>W
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On March 02 2013 09:22 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:16 kainzero wrote:
i think morgana is still good. nothing really happened to her, i think we just had a period of new aps being ridiculously strong on release (zyra/diana) and the rise of ad mid.
a lot of times i feel heroes fall out of favor and then people come up with excuses as to why they're not played, when the real reason is that they're just not popular anymore Honestly I'm surprised that Morgana and Kennen both don't come back into flavor with all of these divers. Hard to dive on a team that has Morgana and Kennen.
Its coming - I saw some guy from TPS playing kennen the other night, and Im pretty sure assassins made kennen FotM the last time he was. My only issue is that Kennen is so goddamn squishy (or thats always how I feel).
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I wish new champions had a week long ban from ranked. So many trolls everytime haha
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On March 02 2013 09:31 RagequitBM wrote:
I wish new champions had a week long ban from ranked. So many trolls everytime haha
Should be a patch long thing. Let them go an entire patch to get bugs and balance worked out before infesting ranked. It would be a fantastic approach for balance.
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On March 02 2013 09:10 Alaric wrote:
No, it's supposedly fixed now.
Also, even before that Brand's passive would have Liandry's tick once after each of the first 3 passive ticks, then 6 times (as normal) after the final 4th tick. Half-second ticking DoTs would stop it from ticking at all until they're finished, but DoTs ticking every second (like Brand's passive or Swain's spells) would have a Liandry's tick ~0.5s after their own ticks.
TL;DR: yes, Liandry's works fully with Brand's passive currently. And I think it's kinda bullshit, but oh well...
Ah, thanks! I'll take a look later tonight.
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I enjoy this Zed change quite a lot. :D
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On March 02 2013 09:31 RagequitBM wrote:
I wish new champions had a week long ban from ranked. So many trolls everytime haha
play on eu, we dont have ranked enabled for a few days after every patch
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Botrk is so dumb... there's zero reason not to get that item.
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On March 02 2013 09:26 Purge wrote:And you are getting some of all that attack speed from zerkers in BotRK. Im personally of the opinion that you cant have enough ms because its the best stat in the game (and Riot is too, which is why they put a soft cap on it) though, so maybe thats just me. But again Ill try it before I say much more and see if it plays out like I think it will. Still imagining being full build Vayne with Boots 3, BotRK, IE/Shiv, Randuins and Last Whisper. That would be so fun
Not disagreeing with you: it sounds pretty dope. Still, Zerker's vs. Swifties boils down to AS/damage versus MS/kite, and most people preferred the former (especially in the latter case, people are generally more concerned about hard CC), given traditional builds focus on AD/BF items first, and the extra AS was necessary to better kite/orbwalk.
That being said, I've gone early zerkers+furor enchantment on Ashe before (and was packing Ghost), against a very specific enemy comp. I could try out Swifties, but the +20% AS is still rather critical on Ashe even with the extra %AS, and I'm still stuck in old school IE rush for Ashe/Trist.
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Quinn seems OP with that Blind.
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I actually don't understand why Zion keeps running Fizz, the champion sucks and he literally feeds free kills every match. He used to be so good back when they wered TD, but now he is dead weight.
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On March 02 2013 09:50 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 09:26 Purge wrote:And you are getting some of all that attack speed from zerkers in BotRK. Im personally of the opinion that you cant have enough ms because its the best stat in the game (and Riot is too, which is why they put a soft cap on it) though, so maybe thats just me. But again Ill try it before I say much more and see if it plays out like I think it will. Still imagining being full build Vayne with Boots 3, BotRK, IE/Shiv, Randuins and Last Whisper. That would be so fun Not disagreeing with you: it sounds pretty dope. Still, Zerker's vs. Swifties boils down to AS/damage versus MS/kite, and most people preferred the former (especially in the latter case, people are generally more concerned about hard CC), given traditional builds focus on AD/BF items first, and the extra AS was necessary to better kite/orbwalk. That being said, I've gone early zerkers+furor enchantment on Ashe before (and was packing Ghost), against a very specific enemy comp. I could try out Swifties, but the +20% AS is still rather critical on Ashe even with the extra %AS, and I'm still stuck in old school IE rush for Ashe/Trist.
I wouldnt be surprised if it was suboptimal, it definitely will put you at a disadvantage in lane. I personally just like playing vayne and champs with high mobility with a ton of ms because its such a rush. I used to get double pd late sometimes just for that actually (noobish, but still awesome). I though, havent really worked out a solid BotRK build. Something like:
Longsword2/Boots3/Dorans->Boots(1)+Cutlass+Dagger->Boots(3)+BotRK->BF->Boots+BotRK+IE+Critcloak+LW->PD->Tank Item
Or
Opening-> Boots(1)+Vamp+Dagger->BF->Boots(3)+Vamp+IE->Boots(3)+Vamp+IE+Shiv/PD->Vamp+IE+PD+LW/BotRK->Finish the other/Defensive Item.
Questioning where it goes - First/3rd.
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On March 02 2013 10:02 Zhiroo wrote:
Quinn seems OP with that Blind.
Seems like its basically a win every trade vs any AD carry that relys on autos in lane, though you have to hit them
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On March 02 2013 09:16 kainzero wrote:
i think morgana is still good. nothing really happened to her, i think we just had a period of new aps being ridiculously strong on release (zyra/diana) and the rise of ad mid.
a lot of times i feel heroes fall out of favor and then people come up with excuses as to why they're not played, when the real reason is that they're just not popular anymore
Shes still a solid pick, but the popular ones now offer just as much utility.
Look at Lux, arguably the best AP mid right now. She has silly burst damage, but it comes in the form of utility, allowing her to either pick off squishies if she lands her whole combo as well as allow her to sit back and defend her carry against the top+mid with 4k health from diving on them. Very optimal pick, with Kayle being nearly the exact same thing as she is, just with a different form of damage.
With that said, I wouldn't be too surprised if she came back into favor if aoe comps came back. I still remember from WCG waaaaaay back in 2011 where that Poland team ran GP+Kennen+Morgana+Nunu and then Vayne. They just played protect the Vayne with their ults and constant cc, allowing Vayne to pick them off as they got to her. Canada couldn't do a damn thing about the sheer amount of cc they had.
I've wanted aoe to come back into favor, as it is the ultimate way to counter dive comps.
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What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere.
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On March 02 2013 12:13 IMoperator wrote:
What is with ranked right now, I get 11 points for wins and -9 points for losses. So boring to play when you know you're not actually going to get anywhere.
Usually, when you get to those gains, you're right around where the game thinks you are.
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