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On March 02 2013 02:58 Mondeezy wrote:
So is the typical build gong to be like, dblade - vamp - zerkers - botrk - IE - LW - Tanky item?
Usually play Vayne and Cait.
Edit: @above, 975 RP.
For vayne maybe otherwise you will still do better as cait with ie first. Just as you will do better as graves/EZ with BT first. If you just look at your auto attack dps it will look like the BotRK is amazing but if you actually look at your ability damage you will find for most ADCs that other items are better first. BotRK second instead of pd/shiv if you got BT first. BotRK fourth if you get ie first in place of BT.
Kog, vayne, and trist may be able to go BotRK first since they have either no ad scaling on abilities or as scaling. But that is up in the air
On March 02 2013 05:04 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 04:53 Simberto wrote:On March 02 2013 04:40 UniversalSnip wrote:
botrk is busted, simple math. I don't think there's even fruitful discussion to be had about how good it is, it has too many stats for the cost. Isn't that simple. You can't just look at the gold effectiveness of items and say that they are too good. For example, Nashors tooth would probably win any cost-effectiveness contest (WAY more cost effective then BotrK), but the stat combination on it are so weird that it is only good in edge cases. So, you can argue that BotrK is too good because it has synergistic stats on it while being pretty cost effective. You can't say it is too good just because it is too cost effective. no need to be pedantic... I'm pretty sure that goes without saying. EDIT: Although the fact you call it "pretty cost efficient" makes me think you don't realize just how insane the stats are on it. AD + LIFESTEAL + AS = 1550 / 45 * 30 + 600 + 950 / 30 * 40 = 2900. So it's on par on the base stats alone and then it has two major passives.
Yea, but a fully stacked bt is worth 4750 gold and ie is worth 4050 before its passive. Omg these items are too gold efficient!!!
The combination of stats on BotRK is not especially gold efficient for comparable items. This is especially true since the other items have attributes which make their gold value skyrocket as you add more items(crit interaction and ad scaling interaction)
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is it just me or shouldn't azubutv be going live today?
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BotRK, what the hell is Riot doing.
They took a good item, which people were already fitting into builds/makign strats around, and the buffed it more then almost any item ever has been buffed.
1 week till every single aa'er in the game rushes it, 2 weeks before it is nerfed to oblivion.
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2.50 attack speed with phantom dancer, BotRK, and Tristana's Q. That doesn't seem strong at all. >_>
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On March 02 2013 06:58 zer0das wrote:
2.50 attack speed with phantom dancer, BotRK, and Tristana's Q. That doesn't seem strong at all. >_>
Lets throw in a Nunu BB or Nid heal.
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On March 02 2013 06:42 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 02:58 Mondeezy wrote:
So is the typical build gong to be like, dblade - vamp - zerkers - botrk - IE - LW - Tanky item?
Usually play Vayne and Cait.
Edit: @above, 975 RP. For vayne maybe otherwise you will still do better as cait with ie first. Just as you will do better as graves/EZ with BT first. If you just look at your auto attack dps it will look like the BotRK is amazing but if you actually look at your ability damage you will find for most ADCs that other items are better first. BotRK second instead of pd/shiv if you got BT first. BotRK fourth if you get ie first in place of BT. Kog, vayne, and trist may be able to go BotRK first since they have either no ad scaling on abilities or as scaling. But that is up in the air
You apply BotRK on Ez Q so if you're going to be poking at the enemy team at all BotRK likely results in more damage. In fact, I think that other than Kog/Vayne/Trist it's possible that BotRK rush might be a stand out choice on Ez as your Qs are likely going to hit full health targets (not to mention the active makes you even harder to get). Caitlyn probably does better with BotRK rush first too as it allows her to not have such a shitty midgame which is by far her biggest weakness. Graves probably prefers BT though. MF might as well.
BotRK is really strong right now purely because it's so damn cheap and the build path is a lot better than BT (or any other AD item really).
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On March 02 2013 06:58 zer0das wrote:
2.50 attack speed with phantom dancer, BotRK, and Tristana's Q. That doesn't seem strong at all. >_>
Not only is it 2.5, it's exactly 2.5
If you do it without the 4% attack speed from masteries it's 2.49
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i also remember people complaining about sotd being broken at pre-s3 start...
so let's not all jump on the botrk bandwagon yet
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On March 02 2013 07:03 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 06:42 Goumindong wrote:On March 02 2013 02:58 Mondeezy wrote:
So is the typical build gong to be like, dblade - vamp - zerkers - botrk - IE - LW - Tanky item?
Usually play Vayne and Cait.
Edit: @above, 975 RP. For vayne maybe otherwise you will still do better as cait with ie first. Just as you will do better as graves/EZ with BT first. If you just look at your auto attack dps it will look like the BotRK is amazing but if you actually look at your ability damage you will find for most ADCs that other items are better first. BotRK second instead of pd/shiv if you got BT first. BotRK fourth if you get ie first in place of BT. Kog, vayne, and trist may be able to go BotRK first since they have either no ad scaling on abilities or as scaling. But that is up in the air You apply BotRK on Ez Q so if you're going to be poking at the enemy team at all BotRK likely results in more damage. In fact, I think that other than Kog/Vayne/Trist it's possible that BotRK rush might be a stand out choice on Ez as your Qs are likely going to hit full health targets (not to mention the active makes you even harder to get). Caitlyn probably does better with BotRK rush first too as it allows her to not have such a shitty midgame which is by far her biggest weakness. Graves probably prefers BT though. MF might as well. BotRK is really strong right now purely because it's so damn cheap and the build path is a lot better than BT (or any other AD item really).
For poking BotRK is just as strong as it was in the previous patch. That is weaker than BT to LW. Ezreal does not even typically build attack speed right now because he doesn't do much auto attacking without interrupting it with abilities.
Did you BotRK rush on EZ last patch for poke? No? The. Why would you do it this one when the item had its ad nerfed and you won't use half of the as on it?
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United States23745 Posts
Shit, TSM got their Twitter profile's verified, eSports has made it guys.
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On March 02 2013 07:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Shit, TSM got their Twitter profile's verified, eSports has made it guys.
Tastosis profile has been verified for several years now.
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On March 02 2013 07:20 plasmidghost wrote:
Can anyone else not log on to NA? My client's been saying Logging on... for the past 5 minutes
*Takka takka takka*
I'm in.
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United States23745 Posts
On March 02 2013 07:24 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 07:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Shit, TSM got their Twitter profile's verified, eSports has made it guys. Tastosis profile has been verified for several years now.
I was being sarcastic :p
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On March 02 2013 06:58 zer0das wrote:
2.50 attack speed with phantom dancer, BotRK, and Tristana's Q. That doesn't seem strong at all. >_>
It's not, really.
Going from 2.2 to 2.5 is a very minimal increase, and completely useless if you need to move at all. Aspd above the 2.2 that she gets with 1 aspd item + Q isn't very effective in my opinion.
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Am I crazy or is that Kayle nerf huge?
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So..redbeard just about confirms that IPL6 is canceled. Riot might host a viewing party in vegas and is planning on running a make up tournament for the challenger tier times that qualified for IPL6
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/19h14k/for_who_are_stuck_with_nonrefundable_flight/c8o25a6
We've been thinking about this as well, it's a great idea.
We are looking into possibly renting out some space at the Cosmo and throwing a viewing party for all of our awesome fans to watch the LCS games that will now be played at our studio in LA. Details TBC shortly.
By the way, we will also be doing a makeup tournament for the challenger teams that qualified for IPL 6, and hosting at least some of the matches at the LCS studio a few weeks later.
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i hate the new BC skin, grab is a tiny pinky fist zzZZzz
they should really not change particles on such important skills by that much.
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Ugh.. new BoTRK not optimal for zed anymore. Not really sure what to build on him anymore, I loved going bruta -> botrk :\
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