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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 22:52:28
March 01 2013 22:52 GMT
#281
I have a hard time believing BotRK was that much more effective than BT.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 01 2013 22:53 GMT
#282
On March 02 2013 07:47 Perplex wrote:
Ugh.. new BoTRK not optimal for zed anymore. Not really sure what to build on him anymore, I loved going bruta -> botrk :\

BT lol
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 01 2013 22:57 GMT
#283
Botrk is like da perfect item for AD carries now wut.
Retvrn to Forvms
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 01 2013 23:05 GMT
#284
On March 02 2013 07:39 Cloud9157 wrote:
Am I crazy or is that Kayle nerf huge?

its hurts her as a sustain dps by a lot I think... Maybe we can transition into max E and focus on AOE instead of single target dps
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
March 01 2013 23:05 GMT
#285
Bortk is good on graves beacuse he can clean up with his ult wth really good range and trade really nice with e max instead of q max?

Its still god level for the old wits junglers and jax.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 23:09:42
March 01 2013 23:09 GMT
#286
its like black cleaver all over again.


who buys more botrk wins
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 23:27:03
March 01 2013 23:10 GMT
#287
Just built a BotRK on Nasus. Literally 1v5'd their team. Not sure if that's just because I was late game Nasus though.

Seriously though they should rename Nasus to Freelosus...
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 01 2013 23:15 GMT
#288
On March 02 2013 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Last post was answering without having caught up, I saw the trailer after, it's so good haha. And that "Mundo~" parody of "Windows". :')

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 04:09 Purge wrote:
Next thing, PSA: Liandries got patched so that It works more efficiently with DoT spells. Apparently they were losing some .5 second ticks on it over time so now its even more rediculous on them than before. I dont know if it was in the patch notes.

Did you read it somewhere or did you test it? I'd test myself but farming 3k gold then busting some jungle monster ~15 minutes with the setup + game and I'm lazy.
I'd really be annoyed if Liandry's was made to be universally good. It was originally an item you'd be able to buy so you don't just sit on your mediocre slot-efficiency Haunting Guise late game, so having it be "better" but not that good or amazing was pretty fine, trade midgame power for less power lategame. It they buff it too much they'll just have created another good item and that's it, which is hurting the variety of powercurves depending on build paths.

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On March 02 2013 05:26 Purge wrote:

Compare BotRK for Statikk Shiv, for 300 gold. Remember that AD carries don't buy IE first anymore in most cases. Put some Value on Shiv's 20% crit. Compare it to the passive/active, 30 AD and 12% lifesteal from BotRK. Tell me it's overreacting again.


I think you are comparing it to the wrong thing. Compare BT to BotRK. You can have both Shiv and BotRK.

Too much gold dumped in AS, not enough in AD. Plus it's anti-synergistic because BotRK's passive won't interact with crit the way Shiv's does.


http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91217-liandrys-constantly-reapplies-on-dots-doing-no-damage

Yeah, as I found out you have to rush more AD after you get BotRK, i.e. get IE. The crit application still stacks with the lifesteal component of it (the lifesteal, not the % damage return). And even for how good it was in lane (dat active) it still just was like ..... mediocre to me. I couldnt transition out of it well enough for it to work. It might have just been tristana though.
More Testing needed.

Btw I still think boots3 is sexy with BotRK early. Also, why dont people get it more often? I mean a solid flat ms increase that will scale with zeal items, slow reduction - it seems like part of an ad carry's wet dream
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 01 2013 23:15 GMT
#289
I can't wait to play BotRK Irelia :3.

Any info on release date for Quinn yet?
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 01 2013 23:26 GMT
#290
cant believe riot disabled ranked queue on EUW for a whole Friday, fuck this.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 01 2013 23:38 GMT
#291
On March 02 2013 08:15 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Last post was answering without having caught up, I saw the trailer after, it's so good haha. And that "Mundo~" parody of "Windows". :')

On March 02 2013 04:09 Purge wrote:
Next thing, PSA: Liandries got patched so that It works more efficiently with DoT spells. Apparently they were losing some .5 second ticks on it over time so now its even more rediculous on them than before. I dont know if it was in the patch notes.

Did you read it somewhere or did you test it? I'd test myself but farming 3k gold then busting some jungle monster ~15 minutes with the setup + game and I'm lazy.
I'd really be annoyed if Liandry's was made to be universally good. It was originally an item you'd be able to buy so you don't just sit on your mediocre slot-efficiency Haunting Guise late game, so having it be "better" but not that good or amazing was pretty fine, trade midgame power for less power lategame. It they buff it too much they'll just have created another good item and that's it, which is hurting the variety of powercurves depending on build paths.

On March 02 2013 05:26 Purge wrote:

Compare BotRK for Statikk Shiv, for 300 gold. Remember that AD carries don't buy IE first anymore in most cases. Put some Value on Shiv's 20% crit. Compare it to the passive/active, 30 AD and 12% lifesteal from BotRK. Tell me it's overreacting again.


I think you are comparing it to the wrong thing. Compare BT to BotRK. You can have both Shiv and BotRK.

Too much gold dumped in AS, not enough in AD. Plus it's anti-synergistic because BotRK's passive won't interact with crit the way Shiv's does.


http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91217-liandrys-constantly-reapplies-on-dots-doing-no-damage

Yeah, as I found out you have to rush more AD after you get BotRK, i.e. get IE. The crit application still stacks with the lifesteal component of it (the lifesteal, not the % damage return). And even for how good it was in lane (dat active) it still just was like ..... mediocre to me. I couldnt transition out of it well enough for it to work. It might have just been tristana though.
More Testing needed.

Btw I still think boots3 is sexy with BotRK early. Also, why dont people get it more often? I mean a solid flat ms increase that will scale with zeal items, slow reduction - it seems like part of an ad carry's wet dream


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Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 01 2013 23:38 GMT
#292
On March 02 2013 05:50 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 05:41 MattBarry wrote:
If Morgana's black shields block's Vi's ult, why don't people play Morgana. Black shield is arguably the best utility spell in the game for keeping an ADC alive

Send your AD carry + support mid, or even just the AD mid, laugh as Morgana can't clear for shit against any decent pusher, can't block physical damage, and has to deal with her atrocious base AS and MS and her 475 auto range. She's much more abusable than people refuse to acknowledge, even at her height.

She's also a burst mage that needs to stand in range of everyone for a long period of time (3.5s min. is long, yes), with a "poke" consisting of a skillshot with a horrendous animation making it pretty easy to dodge during sieges (its 1300 range and 300 + 0.9 AP damage are pretty good points though) and the way her W is strongly reliant on the rest of her kit to get decent damage off and you actually have a mage with fairly low damage/efficiency in dealing it in the current health meta.


She is pretty exploitable, but nowhere to the level that you make it out to be. Seekers armguard make her not as squishy as you would think, and her wave clear is still among the best (with syndra) midlane before 6. I doubt Talon has the mana to be raking and harrassing morg, and Pantheon - who can take a complete dump on morgs face, is the same. Also she has @ max rank a 3 second long snare on her q (which is balanced by its animation) so its not terrible - you catch someone and they die. Her kit is actually really good in and out of lane, its issue right now Im guessing is that CC and AOE isnt enough, too many high health bruisers etc. Although you can make it work if you try.

And yeah black shield is the best AD protecter from cc in the game. Pretty sure nothing else comes close.

Not sure if everyone knows this, found it on BotRK lolwiki just now: "The heal from the active effect will always be equal to 15% of the target's health - it is calculated before the effects of damage mitigation are considered. (TESTED)"


Its always been like that


Not only is it 2.5, it's exactly 2.5

If you do it without the 4% attack speed from masteries it's 2.49


BrB off to learn Trist.

Ugh.. new BoTRK not optimal for zed anymore. Not really sure what to build on him anymore, I loved going bruta -> botrk :\


It might not be perfect, but Its not that bad - It still synergizes with his passive some, and gives you a crazy good active. Im pretty sure someone brought it up to Xypherous here
http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/90733-live-design-pbe-context-thread-for-2-15-2013
Btw does anyone else see the Utility in Quinn's Ult? Like you pick her bot, crush lane (hypothetically), then splitpush all game. Assuming your team has enough aoe/survivabilty to not instantly die 5v4, you come in midway/at the end of a teamfight to clean up. Like a slower, higher dps shen. This could be fun :D


More on liandries http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91568-riot-liandrys-fixed-this-patch-or-no
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 23:49:25
March 01 2013 23:43 GMT
#293
Quinn is available on eu west.

975 rp - 7300 ip

www.twitch.tv/snoopeh good guy snoopeh playing quinn atm.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
March 01 2013 23:51 GMT
#294
Quinn's out chaps.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
March 02 2013 00:04 GMT
#295
ranked queues disabled for a whole day because LPs dont show correctly oO
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-02 00:07:00
March 02 2013 00:04 GMT
#296
On March 02 2013 08:15 Purge wrote:http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91217-liandrys-constantly-reapplies-on-dots-doing-no-damage


Well, I guess I'm waiting for a fix to buff Brand; I'll have to drop Liandrys until then. Sadface. Well, if they fix it we might see him again, since this explains why people haven't picked him up again in S3 given the synergy Rylais+his passive already have (thought it was odd, given his passive gives a good 4 reprocs for both Rylais and Liandrys).

Btw I still think boots3 is sexy with BotRK early. Also, why dont people get it more often? I mean a solid flat ms increase that will scale with zeal items, slow reduction - it seems like part of an ad carry's wet dream

Despite getting a cost efficiency nerf in S3, 'zerker's is still highly cost effective (you're paying 550g for ~670g of AS and the MS). The trade off between the two is basically 15 MS+25% slow resist versus 20% AS+100 gold.

Getting BotRK is interesting on Trist: it's definitely a mid-game option over the more "traditional" IE rush, and giving her basically max AS is interesting. The issue though is that the bonus AS tapers off once you pick up heavy crit on her (IE/PD), or late game for her, though I'm definitely going to have to do some maths on that.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
March 02 2013 00:06 GMT
#297
Yay Diamond 1.

3 days before every single auto attacker rushes Botrk.

1 week before it is nerfed.

If it stays in its current state it will be Black Cleaver 2.0.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 02 2013 00:10 GMT
#298
On March 02 2013 09:04 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 08:15 Purge wrote:http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/91217-liandrys-constantly-reapplies-on-dots-doing-no-damage


Well, I guess I'm waiting for a fix to buff Brand; I'll have to drop Liandrys until then. Sadface. Well, if they fix it we might see him again, since this explains why people haven't picked him up again in S3 given the synergy Rylais+his passive already have (thought it was odd, given his passive gives a good 4 reprocs for both Rylais and Liandrys).

No, it's supposedly fixed now.
Also, even before that Brand's passive would have Liandry's tick once after each of the first 3 passive ticks, then 6 times (as normal) after the final 4th tick. Half-second ticking DoTs would stop it from ticking at all until they're finished, but DoTs ticking every second (like Brand's passive or Swain's spells) would have a Liandry's tick ~0.5s after their own ticks.

TL;DR: yes, Liandry's works fully with Brand's passive currently. And I think it's kinda bullshit, but oh well...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 02 2013 00:16 GMT
#299
i think morgana is still good. nothing really happened to her, i think we just had a period of new aps being ridiculously strong on release (zyra/diana) and the rise of ad mid.

a lot of times i feel heroes fall out of favor and then people come up with excuses as to why they're not played, when the real reason is that they're just not popular anymore
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
March 02 2013 00:21 GMT
#300
Well Quinn is really fun to play. Her ult seems more of a gapcloser or escape giving you huge MS speed, I wouldn't like to fight with the ult unless forced to fight melee, since you are really squishy building as AD carry. Definitely more of an AD carry than top laner since as a top laner I feel damage would be mediocre until ulting, and even then nothing special, and not bringing much to teamfights unless fed with lots of damage. Her vision thing is good for teamfights I guess, but she can do that as an AD carry too.
Solid champion, well designed and bringing some new unique plays and moves.
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