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I was around 50k before buying Cass. Neo said sometimes he had something like 60-70k.
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On March 12 2013 04:23 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:50 Requizen wrote:
Farewell TL LoL, off to HotS I go for the foreseeable future.
Also I have about 1k RP so if you're on my friends list and want a skin you should tell me. See you tomorrow. Thanks for the skin from Christmas btw 
Pretty much this.
You'll be back.
THEY ALWAYS COME BACK
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On March 12 2013 03:40 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:30 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 20:42 sylverfyre wrote:On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?
i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.
i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.
the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste. Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous? Just curious because Im looking to buy her. Hm... That's a pretty good comparison. I'd say you rely on the Q a little less than Janna because your E is deceptively good, but if you really need to hit your Q and it misses, you can be in a very dangerous spot. She has advantages over Janna because sustain, disadvantages because Janna's Q is way easier to hit (but Nami's Q is a lot more rewarding when you DO hit.) You can play the lane phase like a Soraka if you get behind, though - something Janna has a harder time doing. It takes a lot more mana for Nami to play like this than Soraka, though. You kindof want to be harassing by using E on yourself and being a dick with E/W. (remember, you have hella movespeed when you E yourself, run in, smack them once or twice and slow them, W them or yourself, then back off while they're still slowed) Only E your carry or someone else when it's clear there's a fight going on and they'd be silly to attack minions. E is secretly VERY good to cast on yourself during lane, as you have the freedom to not need to CS for the full duration. (It's also really helpful to put on your carry when you're stuck under tower and they're trying to pick up all the CS) Oh, junglers won't realize it, but putting it on them when they come charging in to gank is also awesome. Movespeed and slow power (less useful if they have redbuff - probably better to put on yourself in that case) She is definitely a lot better in full teamfights. Her ult is downright AMAZING for them, useful as an initiate or disengage or followup or counterinitiate. You get a guaranteed Q after your ult, get to bounce your heal around all over the place, and you can E a carry or frontliner knowing they aren't going to waste it. You then get further very-likely Q's following allies CC or just when enemies are too busy to dodge. Be patient with your Q though. Trying to catch someone with Q and missing can be devastating. Following up someone else's CC and extending it by another second, especially on multiple people, makes you feel amazing. Especially when it's a Diana or Orianna whose suck-in abilities are basically perfect for you to chain afterwards. Wombo combo. W>E>Q or E>W>Q The 3 sec duration buff to tidecaller's blessing will be giving us a lot more freedom, too. It's hard to get all 3 autos off (fear not - it's not a waste if you don't. It's a relatively short CD and as long as you get away while the enemy is still slowed you're doing it right) Spamming W makes you go oom, but holy cow is it so good at trading. It's like a slap in the face when you heal all the damage Lulu traded into you immediately upon bouncing the heal off her and onto yourself. I'm wondering if I should take a page out of elementz book and start getting chalice into a lategame grail. So mana hungry, and later on 40% CDR is disgustingly good. (Been getting zeke's, but I run oom so easily like that.) So Janna with poke, but without her rediculously powerful Q and the disengage on her ult? Sounds interesting. Ive been finding recently that Janna's laning can get so rough that I feel impotent (esp against Taric), so if she is a bit safer in lane I think Id willing take a somewhat weaker lategame. Man, Riot is really good at balancing these supports :D how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. I dont think Janna is "not very good." If i was better with my mechanics Id pick her against Kha'zix every game because Tornado completely counters his dash (Just like it counters every dash in the game). Her laning can be really mediocre, but I feel like her lategame is still the best of every single support in the game. But I digress. Does Nami need to be that tanky to do her job? What are you maxing on Janna 1st? Because I find you can't just go with shield max always anymore because even though it provides "sustain" you lose a lot of trading power vs. before because the AD disappears so fast.
Shield max is still the only way to play Janna, and is certainly not weak by any measure. Its quite a big shield on quite a nice CD, its a shame about the AD, but trading a few hits with shield and you will come out vastly ahead in any reasonable harass situation. If your shield feels weak its probably because your mechanics need some work, you have to be able to shield incoming autos and skills in the air and also the second your ad begins any harass. Janna is a really high attention support if you want to play her well. If you let your AD take any damage when you could have shielded it, or waste a shield, thats all on you. Also you need the reflexes and experience to Q interrupt any kind of dash or you really arent playing her properly.
There really isn't any other option on her to max, Q is purely utility and needs to be saved for disengage or engage, W is too short range to be effective harass. If you wanted that kind of thing you would be playing lulu. I play Janna with Cait and other longer range AD's whenever I can, and you can really bully the shit out of people if your reflexes are fast. The difference between a terrible Janna who spam wastes Q down lane trying to harass and misses half their shields, and one who knows how to interrrupt and shields the AD while projectiles are in the air is fucking massive.
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On March 12 2013 02:22 NpG)Explosive wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 00:28 Eppa! wrote:
Sona is super easy not to die as. Get reduced AA mastery in defense and get dorans Shield before philo if your threatened. That's basically saying no champion should ever die in botlane. Sona has lowest health and lowest armor of all the champions at level 1. She also cannot hide in the back like janna or soraka, she's not so great in lane if you never put yourself in position to poke.
You should never die in botlane... She has sustain and poke once you hit 5 you outpoke all other champs.
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On March 12 2013 04:32 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:22 NpG)Explosive wrote:On March 12 2013 00:28 Eppa! wrote:
Sona is super easy not to die as. Get reduced AA mastery in defense and get dorans Shield before philo if your threatened. That's basically saying no champion should ever die in botlane. Sona has lowest health and lowest armor of all the champions at level 1. She also cannot hide in the back like janna or soraka, she's not so great in lane if you never put yourself in position to poke. You should never die in botlane... She has sustain and poke once you hit 5 you outpoke all other champs.
Unless you have telepathy, you WILL get TF/NOC/TP ganked sometimes.
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Thresh turns any jungler into nocturne
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down the rumor wire i am getting word that IWDominate won't be allowed at MLG Dallas. has anyone else heard anything?
never mind, already dispelled!
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I'll agree Nami is stronger in a duoQ or arranged 5's... but uh, you could just play like Thresh (who is stupid OP) or some other support in a coordinated environment and be even more effective IMO.
Janna is dat high skillcap champ. I'm not a very good Janna, but she's ridiculously strong if you can play her right, though even if you're really good sometimes you flub your ult and lose the game. :/
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On March 12 2013 03:40 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:30 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 20:42 sylverfyre wrote:On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?
i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.
i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.
the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste. Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous? Just curious because Im looking to buy her. Hm... That's a pretty good comparison. I'd say you rely on the Q a little less than Janna because your E is deceptively good, but if you really need to hit your Q and it misses, you can be in a very dangerous spot. She has advantages over Janna because sustain, disadvantages because Janna's Q is way easier to hit (but Nami's Q is a lot more rewarding when you DO hit.) You can play the lane phase like a Soraka if you get behind, though - something Janna has a harder time doing. It takes a lot more mana for Nami to play like this than Soraka, though. You kindof want to be harassing by using E on yourself and being a dick with E/W. (remember, you have hella movespeed when you E yourself, run in, smack them once or twice and slow them, W them or yourself, then back off while they're still slowed) Only E your carry or someone else when it's clear there's a fight going on and they'd be silly to attack minions. E is secretly VERY good to cast on yourself during lane, as you have the freedom to not need to CS for the full duration. (It's also really helpful to put on your carry when you're stuck under tower and they're trying to pick up all the CS) Oh, junglers won't realize it, but putting it on them when they come charging in to gank is also awesome. Movespeed and slow power (less useful if they have redbuff - probably better to put on yourself in that case) She is definitely a lot better in full teamfights. Her ult is downright AMAZING for them, useful as an initiate or disengage or followup or counterinitiate. You get a guaranteed Q after your ult, get to bounce your heal around all over the place, and you can E a carry or frontliner knowing they aren't going to waste it. You then get further very-likely Q's following allies CC or just when enemies are too busy to dodge. Be patient with your Q though. Trying to catch someone with Q and missing can be devastating. Following up someone else's CC and extending it by another second, especially on multiple people, makes you feel amazing. Especially when it's a Diana or Orianna whose suck-in abilities are basically perfect for you to chain afterwards. Wombo combo. W>E>Q or E>W>Q The 3 sec duration buff to tidecaller's blessing will be giving us a lot more freedom, too. It's hard to get all 3 autos off (fear not - it's not a waste if you don't. It's a relatively short CD and as long as you get away while the enemy is still slowed you're doing it right) Spamming W makes you go oom, but holy cow is it so good at trading. It's like a slap in the face when you heal all the damage Lulu traded into you immediately upon bouncing the heal off her and onto yourself. I'm wondering if I should take a page out of elementz book and start getting chalice into a lategame grail. So mana hungry, and later on 40% CDR is disgustingly good. (Been getting zeke's, but I run oom so easily like that.) So Janna with poke, but without her rediculously powerful Q and the disengage on her ult? Sounds interesting. Ive been finding recently that Janna's laning can get so rough that I feel impotent (esp against Taric), so if she is a bit safer in lane I think Id willing take a somewhat weaker lategame. Man, Riot is really good at balancing these supports :D how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. I dont think Janna is "not very good." If i was better with my mechanics Id pick her against Kha'zix every game because Tornado completely counters his dash (Just like it counters every dash in the game). Her laning can be really mediocre, but I feel like her lategame is still the best of every single support in the game. But I digress. Does Nami need to be that tanky to do her job? What are you maxing on Janna 1st? Because I find you can't just go with shield max always anymore because even though it provides "sustain" you lose a lot of trading power vs. before because the AD disappears so fast.
Its less that the AD bonus breaks to early, but yeah, Janna's laning is really bad because you have no margin for error. E is not a heal, and mistiming it punishes you really hard, and also if you use Q you have no way of disengaging. Don't play her if you are expecting to have lane control like Sona or Taric.
That being said, Tornado is the best CC on any support in the game. It cancels every dash in the game, it facilitates ganks, its one of the hardest followup ccs in the game, it cant be mitigated... I could go on and on. Its literally like veigars stun in that its an ultimate level ability. And the best part? she has another one of these on her ult (to a lesser extent)
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On March 12 2013 03:42 Purge wrote:
On a completely different note, Im here catching up on some of the comments in this thread, and I have to ask if you people here discount Dignitas as a team too much. I mean, I get that everyone here likes Curse (for reasons I cant completely understand), but Dig is easily the scariest team NA right now. Then Curse, Clg and TSM, in that order. Im really f'ing excited to see them show off on a worldwide stage (and Clg, but I am a genuine Clg fanboy, so Im really biased).
Just wait till the Super Week recap comes out, we give dig their well deserved props.
As a team I've always liked them well enough, especially Scarra since his stream was a great resource when I was still new to the game. I know coming into the LCS I wasn't very high on dig for a couple reasons: precedent for epic throws, new line-up untested at a LAN, poor showing Week 1. It was clear they were trending up after Week 2 and Week 3, but Super Week proved they seem to be the real deal.
Edit: They have a show match against Gambit at MLG Dallas, probably not quite what you meant by worldwide stage but it'll give us a look at how they do against a top team.
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On March 12 2013 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:23 Sufficiency wrote:On March 12 2013 03:50 Requizen wrote:
Farewell TL LoL, off to HotS I go for the foreseeable future.
Also I have about 1k RP so if you're on my friends list and want a skin you should tell me. See you tomorrow. Thanks for the skin from Christmas btw Pretty much this. You'll be back. THEY ALWAYS COME BACK
I don't doubt it, but I'm going to do the campaign (maybe twice for Brutal and if there are diverging choices like in WoL), and then I'll tool around on ladder for a while.
Not to mention I still haven't played the new Metal Gear or Tomb Raider game, but they're on the pile for now.
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new tomb raider is good but it won't take you that long unless you do all the collectables.
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Now Riot wants to nerf Akali? Lol.
Riot reactionary nerf at its best.
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On March 12 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
new tomb raider is good but it won't take you that long unless you do all the collectables.
Really? Interesting... never played the franchise before.
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On March 12 2013 05:07 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
new tomb raider is good but it won't take you that long unless you do all the collectables. Really? Interesting... never played the franchise before.
I only played a few of the PSX ones, but the new one looks pretty good. Also another reason to dust off my consoles between LoL and HotS
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Akali deserves nerf. Not huge nerfs, just some small damage nerfs.
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On March 12 2013 05:07 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 05:06 Slusher wrote:
new tomb raider is good but it won't take you that long unless you do all the collectables. Really? Interesting... never played the franchise before.
it isn't so much a continuation of the series as much as a complete ripoff of Uncharted(which is a good thing)
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On March 12 2013 05:10 Chrispy wrote:
Akali deserves nerf. Not huge nerfs, just some small damage nerfs.
She's not even see in competitive play that much... she's occasionally there, but it's not like toxically abundant.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On March 12 2013 04:27 Alaric wrote:I was around 50k before buying Cass. Neo said sometimes he had something like 60-70k. Play more.
I think he has more than that now. It's pretty ridic.
Regarding Nami: Nami is a very versatile support who can cover a lot of bases, and also offers a lot of zone control and utility. But her strength is exactly why she's under-represented. Why play Nami when you could be playing someone like Blitz/Thresh/Ali and make plays? At the same time, Lulu and Sona are already very well known champions who people are comfortable playing on and with while also crowding into the same strengths that Nami has. Simply understanding when you have kill/poke/tower potential and how each matchup is pretty important. At the same time, Nami has no defining lane partner. For example, Sona/Ez or Twitch/Lulu are both very powerful duo lanes that people understand and can execute to maximum potential. Nami on the other hand I think is going to need more time before figure out what matchups she actually works in. On a personal note, I think she might have potential as a partner to Koggles and as a counter to Taric but this is going into speculation since I've only played Nami twice.
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