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On March 12 2013 02:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I've played Nami once or twice, and I just can't play her well. I guess she doesn't fit my style. She is one of (if not only) the designed-to-support (not zyra, not fiddle, not nunu) characters that I can't play.
A question about sightstone: Should I be rushing it every game, or should i hold off until later on some supports?
It's all about preferance.A lot of pros go shield/philo>sighstone but imo sighstone is too good not to get.Allows you to get earlier items too because you need to buy almost no wards with it.
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On March 12 2013 02:33 kainzero wrote:
how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use.
On March 12 2013 02:15 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 01:32 Cheap0 wrote:On March 11 2013 23:55 sylverfyre wrote:
She's not totally passive though (and yes, I think this perception is why she's unloved) - she's more of a harass laner like Sona/Lulu - in fact, I straight up prefer her to Sona right now in all aspects. (I get first blooded on sona WAY too much ._. I find Nami gets away with bloody murder much more easily when she harasses.) I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. This is just wrong lol.Sona and lulu both do more dmg than nami and have more reliable cc.How exactly does she harass down and kill you I really don't understand?Her w costs way too much mana to poke for long and if she uses e she would just eventually not be able to trade.
1 - get her numbers right. It's a 15% at level 1 slow, +5% per level. You don't even need to use Q when you're doing early trades, just E and W.
2 - sona has more reliable CC what? If you're talking about her ult, why are you comparing it to Nami's Q? Nami's ult is at least as reliable as Sona's at the shorter ranges of sona's ult. It's not the same type of CC, but a miniknockup 2-4 sec slow (late game it's a 70% megaslow) is pretty damn good. It also speeds up your allies.
2.1 - Nami's Q is basically hit for free after you ult.
2.2 - Nami's Q is ultimately completely different from what Lulu and Sona have in their kits. Neither of them have a non-ult AOE hard CC on a pretty short cooldown. Stop throwing hail mary aqua prisons out if you're missing it all the time. Use it with a lead-in CC (your own tidecaller's blessing, or better yet: somebody else's CC!
3 - Ebb and Flow is hands down THE BEST healing ability for mid-fight. It's a quite high healing amount, short cooldown (half the cooldown of Soraka) does some damage (or can be used primarily for damage) and hits multiple targets when cast during a brawl (and not just "you + someone" like sona or taric) If you say it drops off late game, every other healing ability in the game does also.
4- Tidecaller does not drop off late game. 35% slow is nothing to laugh at when your carry is trying to kite a bruiser, or one of your frontliners is trying to stick to a carry.
5 - How does nami kill you? She harasses you constantly, lands a Q, and you're probably dead.
6 - I do agree with on janna's level (but a different niche than janna. Janna counters melee allin supports pretty hard, Nami does well fighting ranged harass combos, especially with how well she punishes Caitlyn for trying to use piltover peacemaker.
Build
I've been going Fcharm/3greens/2pots/1manapot (or 2 wards, 3 pots, 2 mana pots) -> Doran's shield on first back -> Philo Stone, Sightstone -> (Kage's if I can buy it before 12 minutes) -> major support items. I'm going to try using a Chalice instead of a Kage's next time I get an early lead.
My favorite lane partner so far has to be Vayne. To me, it's easy to read when a vayne wants to go into a fight, aqua prison/condemn combo really well. (in either order) Additionally, you can provide Vayne with some lane safety which she badly needs. IMO Nami is up there with Alistar as far as the type of support Vayne wants. If people come harass your vayne, bounce a heal off vayne into their face and E yourself (or vayne)
If either of you land your CC, the other can follow. That target is probably gonna die when you're through with them.
Later on, your tidecaller's blessing gives vayne the close-up kiting power she wants in fights, allowing her to more easily fight-and-kite bruisers.
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On March 12 2013 02:59 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:33 kainzero wrote:
how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:15 nafta wrote:On March 12 2013 01:32 Cheap0 wrote:On March 11 2013 23:55 sylverfyre wrote:
She's not totally passive though (and yes, I think this perception is why she's unloved) - she's more of a harass laner like Sona/Lulu - in fact, I straight up prefer her to Sona right now in all aspects. (I get first blooded on sona WAY too much ._. I find Nami gets away with bloody murder much more easily when she harasses.) I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. This is just wrong lol.Sona and lulu both do more dmg than nami and have more reliable cc.How exactly does she harass down and kill you I really don't understand?Her w costs way too much mana to poke for long and if she uses e she would just eventually not be able to trade. 1 - get her numbers right. It's a 15% at level 1 slow, +5% per level. You don't even need to use Q when you're doing early trades, just E and W. 2 - sona has more reliable CC what? If you're talking about her ult, why are you comparing it to Nami's Q? Nami's ult is at least as reliable as Sona's at the shorter ranges of sona's ult. It's not the same type of CC, but a miniknockup 2-4 sec slow (late game it's a 70% megaslow) is pretty damn good. It also speeds up your allies. 2.1 - Nami's Q is basically hit for free after you ult. 2.2 - Nami's Q is ultimately completely different from what Lulu and Sona have in their kits. Neither of them have a non-ult AOE hard CC on a pretty short cooldown. Stop throwing hail mary aqua prisons out if you're missing it all the time. Use it with a lead-in CC (your own tidecaller's blessing, or better yet: somebody else's CC! 3 - Ebb and Flow is hands down THE BEST healing ability for mid-fight. It's a quite high healing amount, short cooldown (half the cooldown of Soraka) does some damage (or can be used primarily for damage) and hits multiple targets when cast during a brawl (and not just "you + someone" like sona or taric) If you say it drops off late game, every other healing ability in the game does also. 4- Tidecaller does not drop off late game. 35% slow is nothing to laugh at when your carry is trying to kite a bruiser, or one of your frontliners is trying to stick to a carry. 5 - How does nami kill you? She harasses you constantly, lands a Q, and you're probably dead. 6 - I do agree with on janna's level (but a different niche than janna. Janna counters melee allin supports pretty hard, Nami does well fighting ranged harass combos, especially with how well she punishes Caitlyn for trying to use piltover peacemaker. BuildI've been going Fcharm/3greens/2pots/1manapot (or 2 wards, 3 pots, 2 mana pots) -> Doran's shield on first back -> Philo Stone, Sightstone -> (Kage's if I can buy it before 12 minutes) -> major support items. I'm going to try using a Chalice instead of a Kage's next time I get an early lead. My favorite lane partner so far has to be Vayne. To me, it's easy to read when a vayne wants to go into a fight, aqua prison/condemn combo really well. (in either order) Additionally, you can provide Vayne with some lane safety which she badly needs. IMO Nami is up there with Alistar as far as the type of support Vayne wants. If people come harass your vayne, bounce a heal off vayne into their face and E yourself (or vayne) If either of you land your CC, the other can follow. That target is probably gonna die when you're through with them. Later on, your tidecaller's blessing gives vayne the close-up kiting power she wants in fights, allowing her to more easily fight-and-kite bruisers.
I think you just made Nami my next buy
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On March 12 2013 02:53 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I've played Nami once or twice, and I just can't play her well. I guess she doesn't fit my style. She is one of (if not only) the designed-to-support (not zyra, not fiddle, not nunu) characters that I can't play.
A question about sightstone: Should I be rushing it every game, or should i hold off until later on some supports? It's all about preferance.A lot of pros go shield/philo>sighstone but imo sighstone is too good not to get.Allows you to get earlier items too because you need to buy almost no wards with it.
Pros get doran's shield when they plan on being aggressive (or conversely, aggressed on) in lane, since it's the most gold efficient combat item you can get early. But if the lane is a farm lane then sighstone and philostone are best. I think in solo queue the default assumption is that bot lane is going to be pretty farmy, hence the popularity of sightstone rush.
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On March 11 2013 20:42 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?
i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.
i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.
the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste. Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous? Just curious because Im looking to buy her. Hm... That's a pretty good comparison. I'd say you rely on the Q a little less than Janna because your E is deceptively good, but if you really need to hit your Q and it misses, you can be in a very dangerous spot. She has advantages over Janna because sustain, disadvantages because Janna's Q is way easier to hit (but Nami's Q is a lot more rewarding when you DO hit.) You can play the lane phase like a Soraka if you get behind, though - something Janna has a harder time doing. It takes a lot more mana for Nami to play like this than Soraka, though. You kindof want to be harassing by using E on yourself and being a dick with E/W. (remember, you have hella movespeed when you E yourself, run in, smack them once or twice and slow them, W them or yourself, then back off while they're still slowed) Only E your carry or someone else when it's clear there's a fight going on and they'd be silly to attack minions. E is secretly VERY good to cast on yourself during lane, as you have the freedom to not need to CS for the full duration. (It's also really helpful to put on your carry when you're stuck under tower and they're trying to pick up all the CS) Oh, junglers won't realize it, but putting it on them when they come charging in to gank is also awesome. Movespeed and slow power (less useful if they have redbuff - probably better to put on yourself in that case) She is definitely a lot better in full teamfights. Her ult is downright AMAZING for them, useful as an initiate or disengage or followup or counterinitiate. You get a guaranteed Q after your ult, get to bounce your heal around all over the place, and you can E a carry or frontliner knowing they aren't going to waste it. You then get further very-likely Q's following allies CC or just when enemies are too busy to dodge. Be patient with your Q though. Trying to catch someone with Q and missing can be devastating. Following up someone else's CC and extending it by another second, especially on multiple people, makes you feel amazing. Especially when it's a Diana or Orianna whose suck-in abilities are basically perfect for you to chain afterwards. Wombo combo. W>E>Q or E>W>Q The 3 sec duration buff to tidecaller's blessing will be giving us a lot more freedom, too. It's hard to get all 3 autos off (fear not - it's not a waste if you don't. It's a relatively short CD and as long as you get away while the enemy is still slowed you're doing it right) Spamming W makes you go oom, but holy cow is it so good at trading. It's like a slap in the face when you heal all the damage Lulu traded into you immediately upon bouncing the heal off her and onto yourself. I'm wondering if I should take a page out of elementz book and start getting chalice into a lategame grail. So mana hungry, and later on 40% CDR is disgustingly good. (Been getting zeke's, but I run oom so easily like that.)
So Janna with poke, but without her rediculously powerful Q and the disengage on her ult? Sounds interesting. Ive been finding recently that Janna's laning can get so rough that I feel impotent (esp against Taric), so if she is a bit safer in lane I think Id willing take a somewhat weaker lategame. Man, Riot is really good at balancing these supports :D
how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use.
I dont think Janna is "not very good." If i was better with my mechanics Id pick her against Kha'zix every game because Tornado completely counters his dash (Just like it counters every dash in the game). Her laning can be really mediocre, but I feel like her lategame is still the best of every single support in the game.
But I digress. Does Nami need to be that tanky to do her job?
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Alright, so blessing is 15%. She's no Sejuani, lol.
Again, one of my biggest gripes with Blessing is the fact that almost no one knows they have it on. Theoretically it works in all those situations you mentioned, peeling and sticking (and chasing), but in the actual game I have yet to see someone realize they have it on them and use it for that intended purpose. In arranged 5s, there are usually a lot more important details in voicechat to give out than "I put blessing on you." Even the on-hit effect is hard to see and hear. I'd definitely want to see some sort of QoL for that.
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On March 12 2013 03:30 Purge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 20:42 sylverfyre wrote:On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote:On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?
i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.
i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.
the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste. Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous? Just curious because Im looking to buy her. Hm... That's a pretty good comparison. I'd say you rely on the Q a little less than Janna because your E is deceptively good, but if you really need to hit your Q and it misses, you can be in a very dangerous spot. She has advantages over Janna because sustain, disadvantages because Janna's Q is way easier to hit (but Nami's Q is a lot more rewarding when you DO hit.) You can play the lane phase like a Soraka if you get behind, though - something Janna has a harder time doing. It takes a lot more mana for Nami to play like this than Soraka, though. You kindof want to be harassing by using E on yourself and being a dick with E/W. (remember, you have hella movespeed when you E yourself, run in, smack them once or twice and slow them, W them or yourself, then back off while they're still slowed) Only E your carry or someone else when it's clear there's a fight going on and they'd be silly to attack minions. E is secretly VERY good to cast on yourself during lane, as you have the freedom to not need to CS for the full duration. (It's also really helpful to put on your carry when you're stuck under tower and they're trying to pick up all the CS) Oh, junglers won't realize it, but putting it on them when they come charging in to gank is also awesome. Movespeed and slow power (less useful if they have redbuff - probably better to put on yourself in that case) She is definitely a lot better in full teamfights. Her ult is downright AMAZING for them, useful as an initiate or disengage or followup or counterinitiate. You get a guaranteed Q after your ult, get to bounce your heal around all over the place, and you can E a carry or frontliner knowing they aren't going to waste it. You then get further very-likely Q's following allies CC or just when enemies are too busy to dodge. Be patient with your Q though. Trying to catch someone with Q and missing can be devastating. Following up someone else's CC and extending it by another second, especially on multiple people, makes you feel amazing. Especially when it's a Diana or Orianna whose suck-in abilities are basically perfect for you to chain afterwards. Wombo combo. W>E>Q or E>W>Q The 3 sec duration buff to tidecaller's blessing will be giving us a lot more freedom, too. It's hard to get all 3 autos off (fear not - it's not a waste if you don't. It's a relatively short CD and as long as you get away while the enemy is still slowed you're doing it right) Spamming W makes you go oom, but holy cow is it so good at trading. It's like a slap in the face when you heal all the damage Lulu traded into you immediately upon bouncing the heal off her and onto yourself. I'm wondering if I should take a page out of elementz book and start getting chalice into a lategame grail. So mana hungry, and later on 40% CDR is disgustingly good. (Been getting zeke's, but I run oom so easily like that.) So Janna with poke, but without her rediculously powerful Q and the disengage on her ult? Sounds interesting. Ive been finding recently that Janna's laning can get so rough that I feel impotent (esp against Taric), so if she is a bit safer in lane I think Id willing take a somewhat weaker lategame. Man, Riot is really good at balancing these supports :D Show nested quote +how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. I dont think Janna is "not very good." If i was better with my mechanics Id pick her against Kha'zix every game because Tornado completely counters his dash (Just like it counters every dash in the game). Her laning can be really mediocre, but I feel like her lategame is still the best of every single support in the game. But I digress. Does Nami need to be that tanky to do her job?
What are you maxing on Janna 1st? Because I find you can't just go with shield max always anymore because even though it provides "sustain" you lose a lot of trading power vs. before because the AD disappears so fast.
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She doesn't really need to be crazy tanky running around on the front line. Her range is good, her base MS is 340 - very high for a ranged support (higher base MS than Janna, though janna is faster because of Wpassive) and the only thing you need to directly cast on enemies at short range in a teamfight (where short is defined as up to 875?) is Aqua Prison.
Nami's Q is also ridiculously powerful, though in a completely different way compared to Janna's. Janna's is easy to hit, getting a lot of its power from the 'interrupts' you can pull off with it. Nami's is powerful as heck when it does hit, but it's one of the hardest CC's to hit that I can think of. (Even Rupture is easier!)
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On a completely different note, Im here catching up on some of the comments in this thread, and I have to ask if you people here discount Dignitas as a team too much. I mean, I get that everyone here likes Curse (for reasons I cant completely understand), but Dig is easily the scariest team NA right now. Then Curse, Clg and TSM, in that order. Im really f'ing excited to see them show off on a worldwide stage (and Clg, but I am a genuine Clg fanboy, so Im really biased).
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On March 12 2013 03:42 Purge wrote:
On a completely different note, Im here catching up on some of the comments in this thread, and I have to ask if you people here discount Dignitas as a team too much. I mean, I get that everyone here likes Curse (for reasons I cant completely understand), but Dig is easily the scariest team NA right now. Then Curse, Clg and TSM, in that order. Im really f'ing excited to see them show off on a worldwide stage (and Clg, but I am a genuine Clg fanboy, so Im really biased).
I'm gonna agree with you here - Dignitas is in the best shape right now. Curse has looked pretty vulnerable, especially if they're going to be without Nyjacky at MLG.
CLG and TSM need some work or else they might get Marned again.
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Farewell TL LoL, off to HotS I go for the foreseeable future.
Also I have about 1k RP so if you're on my friends list and want a skin you should tell me.
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first time in like 2 years starcraft has more viewers than LoL on twitch, can't blame em though the HOTS launch stream has been pretty sick.
xD
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when is legacy of void? i want play protoss story
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On March 12 2013 03:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:59 sylverfyre wrote:On March 12 2013 02:33 kainzero wrote:
how does nami kill you?
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level.
and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily.
the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take.
i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on.
i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. On March 12 2013 02:15 nafta wrote:On March 12 2013 01:32 Cheap0 wrote:On March 11 2013 23:55 sylverfyre wrote:
She's not totally passive though (and yes, I think this perception is why she's unloved) - she's more of a harass laner like Sona/Lulu - in fact, I straight up prefer her to Sona right now in all aspects. (I get first blooded on sona WAY too much ._. I find Nami gets away with bloody murder much more easily when she harasses.) I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. This is just wrong lol.Sona and lulu both do more dmg than nami and have more reliable cc.How exactly does she harass down and kill you I really don't understand?Her w costs way too much mana to poke for long and if she uses e she would just eventually not be able to trade. 1 - get her numbers right. It's a 15% at level 1 slow, +5% per level. You don't even need to use Q when you're doing early trades, just E and W. 2 - sona has more reliable CC what? If you're talking about her ult, why are you comparing it to Nami's Q? Nami's ult is at least as reliable as Sona's at the shorter ranges of sona's ult. It's not the same type of CC, but a miniknockup 2-4 sec slow (late game it's a 70% megaslow) is pretty damn good. It also speeds up your allies. 2.1 - Nami's Q is basically hit for free after you ult. 2.2 - Nami's Q is ultimately completely different from what Lulu and Sona have in their kits. Neither of them have a non-ult AOE hard CC on a pretty short cooldown. Stop throwing hail mary aqua prisons out if you're missing it all the time. Use it with a lead-in CC (your own tidecaller's blessing, or better yet: somebody else's CC! 3 - Ebb and Flow is hands down THE BEST healing ability for mid-fight. It's a quite high healing amount, short cooldown (half the cooldown of Soraka) does some damage (or can be used primarily for damage) and hits multiple targets when cast during a brawl (and not just "you + someone" like sona or taric) If you say it drops off late game, every other healing ability in the game does also. 4- Tidecaller does not drop off late game. 35% slow is nothing to laugh at when your carry is trying to kite a bruiser, or one of your frontliners is trying to stick to a carry. 5 - How does nami kill you? She harasses you constantly, lands a Q, and you're probably dead. 6 - I do agree with on janna's level (but a different niche than janna. Janna counters melee allin supports pretty hard, Nami does well fighting ranged harass combos, especially with how well she punishes Caitlyn for trying to use piltover peacemaker. BuildI've been going Fcharm/3greens/2pots/1manapot (or 2 wards, 3 pots, 2 mana pots) -> Doran's shield on first back -> Philo Stone, Sightstone -> (Kage's if I can buy it before 12 minutes) -> major support items. I'm going to try using a Chalice instead of a Kage's next time I get an early lead. My favorite lane partner so far has to be Vayne. To me, it's easy to read when a vayne wants to go into a fight, aqua prison/condemn combo really well. (in either order) Additionally, you can provide Vayne with some lane safety which she badly needs. IMO Nami is up there with Alistar as far as the type of support Vayne wants. If people come harass your vayne, bounce a heal off vayne into their face and E yourself (or vayne) If either of you land your CC, the other can follow. That target is probably gonna die when you're through with them. Later on, your tidecaller's blessing gives vayne the close-up kiting power she wants in fights, allowing her to more easily fight-and-kite bruisers. I think you just made Nami my next buy
The thing about Nami is that you have to be in sync with your AD carry more than other supports.
With Leona, you can go nuts and have your AD simply react to your extremely obvious harass.
Nami is a bit more subtle, and requires her AD carry to initiate. Her heal is better *during* the trade so it bounces and ends up mana efficient. Her Q is hard to hit unless part of the trade. Her E is hard to notice and hard to make good use on reaction. It's almost better to cast on yourself but you will probably only get 2/3 autoattacks off during a trade.
Vayne works really well with her as she can get the full E procs super fast, has short range so your heal is guaranteed to jump more. And, she's deadly if she can react to a Q that lands.
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Nami's best pair outside of Draven and MF (which I hate to count because they dominate lane with any support playing correctly) is Vayne imo, 50% health is as good as dead vs. a Vayne with Tidecaller's on her.
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On March 12 2013 03:57 Chrispy wrote:
LoL is dying.
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On March 12 2013 03:50 Requizen wrote:
Farewell TL LoL, off to HotS I go for the foreseeable future.
Also I have about 1k RP so if you're on my friends list and want a skin you should tell me.
See you tomorrow. Thanks for the skin from Christmas btw 
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EPT
