EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 114
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote: Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous? Just curious because Im looking to buy her. Nami's laning phase is nit like Janna though. Nami is more like a ranged version of Leona IMO. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 11 2013 21:25 Sufficiency wrote: Nami's laning phase is nit like Janna though. Nami is more like a ranged version of Leona IMO. I... disagree. I find her more like Janna than like Leona. Harass, be a dick with aggressive usage of your (shield/heal) and your slow, you're highly mobile, and your CC is best used as a disengage. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
I guess thats what the shurley-annes is for that Slusher was suggesting is for. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 11 2013 22:01 RagequitBM wrote: I really dislike Nami's ult. I've never been hit by one. It's literally the slowest skillshot I can think of. I guess thats what the shurley-annes is for that Slusher was suggesting is for. It was even slower at one point. It's speed it one of the reasons it's a better counter-engage than outright engage tool. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 11 2013 23:11 Juicyfruit wrote: Personally I think it's only a matter of time before Nami becomes super popular in competitive scenes. She's not AS strong as Janna as a late-game pocket support but for most of early-mid game, Nami will be contributing more to teamfights and is also better at setting up kills without having to go balls-deep like Taric/Leona, making her harder to countergank or shut down completely. Unless people start banning supports again this will not happen. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I mean to be less "my way or the highway" but the suggestion I am trying to plant is her underplayed status is closely tied to the perception of her as a passive support | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 11 2013 22:01 RagequitBM wrote: I really dislike Nami's ult. I've never been hit by one. It's literally the slowest skillshot I can think of. I guess thats what the shurley-annes is for that Slusher was suggesting is for. I feel like you've seen Namis who misuse their ult. It's not a long range catching tool. You're right. You'll never "catch" someone at long range with it. It's either a counter-engage or an initiation-assistance tool. Use it AFTER after fight breaks out instead of before. Enemies have to stop dealing damage to dodge it, or get hit and mini-knockup + huge slow (the slow duration is like ashe arrow - the further you are from nami, the longer the slow. 2 sec min, 4sec max.) It's particularly strong if the fight is in the jungle or some other enclosed area where there is literally no room to move aside and dodge it. I don't think I've ever "whiffed" it (I am far more guilty of picking bad times to use it, and the CC ends up being wasted.) Also strong if you're showing up to a fight late, you can send it in from pretty far away to turn a fight around. I really think the minor buff to her E (longer window to use the charges) will really help her a lot. Her E is tricky to use well and is where a lot of her power stems from. On March 11 2013 23:52 Slusher wrote: If you guys want to play janna just pick janna Nami isn't as good at disengage if that's your gameplan. Early shurelya's also provides a lot of mana regen which is why I suggest rushing it, between that snd the active the kindlegem stats are just icing. I mean to be less "my way or the highway" but the suggestion I am trying to plant is her underplayed status is closely tied to the perception of her as a passive support Yeah, I do agree that she's less of an ultimate master of disengage than Janna, but the way she fights / harasses, particularly in lane, is pretty similar. And, like Janna, you have a better teamfight presence - even from far away - than your laning presence. She's not totally passive though (and yes, I think this perception is why she's unloved) - she's more of a harass laner like Sona/Lulu - in fact, I straight up prefer her to Sona right now in all aspects. (I get first blooded on sona WAY too much ._. I find Nami gets away with bloody murder much more easily when she harasses.) | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
On March 11 2013 23:55 sylverfyre wrote: She's not totally passive though (and yes, I think this perception is why she's unloved) - she's more of a harass laner like Sona/Lulu - in fact, I straight up prefer her to Sona right now in all aspects. (I get first blooded on sona WAY too much ._. I find Nami gets away with bloody murder much more easily when she harasses.) I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:32 Cheap0 wrote: I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. Idunno, you could just play Taric or Leona. You may not kill them the first time you go balls deep, but you're going to do terrible terrible damage. Then if they're dumb enough to hang around at low HP, you just do it one more time and get a kill. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:32 Cheap0 wrote: I tend to see her that way too, like a poke-oriented support like Sona and Lulu. However, Sona and Lulu harass you down and bully you out of lane or wait for their jungler to show up (or maybe a clutch flash-Crescendo). Nami harasses you down then kills you. She's much better at snowballing a lane than the other poke supports. I think that's a niche that Nami occupies that no other support really can match. This is just wrong lol.Sona and lulu both do more dmg than nami and have more reliable cc.How exactly does she harass down and kill you I really don't understand?Her w costs way too much mana to poke for long and if she uses e she would just eventually not be able to trade. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On March 12 2013 00:28 Eppa! wrote: Sona is super easy not to die as. Get reduced AA mastery in defense and get dorans Shield before philo if your threatened. That's basically saying no champion should ever die in botlane. Sona has lowest health and lowest armor of all the champions at level 1. She also cannot hide in the back like janna or soraka, she's not so great in lane if you never put yourself in position to poke. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
against sona/lulu/soraka i can see you forgoing ebb and flow levels for blessing, which is absolutely necessary to hit your bubble. but with only one level in blessing that gives you a 10% slow, which is sejuani level. and lulu can kill you in lane after harass easily. the way i've been building nami is ruby sightstone > phil stone > locket > aegis, you get around 2800 hp after that and you get super tanky, allowing you to be in the front line. if they engage on you, you just throw a tidal wave and bubble when they're slowed. and the mermaid bait is so easy to take. i think the worst part about her is that she has zero wave clear (no pun intended, harhar). every single support except for nami has a wave clear ability. there's also the unfortunate part about blessing and ebb and flow getting more and more useless as the game goes on. i don't think she's super good or hidden OP or anything like that. i'd put her on janna's level right now. not very good but has a niche use. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
A question about sightstone: Should I be rushing it every game, or should i hold off until later on some supports? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 11 2013 18:28 Dusty wrote: So I want to discuss a certain bug-champion... For the first month and a half of Season 3 it seemed like Khazix was an unstoppable force, being what I would call something like an AD Katarina with his reset potential, not to mention that huge range with W / Evolved E and the completely broken damage on his Q. So why did people stop playing him? He barely got nerfed and yet I never see him picked or banned. Did people figure out counters? Seekers Armguard OP? I myself can't figure it out. I thought Warmogs meta was the reason but I remember he was quite a big fan of it as well, as it synergized with that evolved R active. ;~; Still almost permaban EUW. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 12 2013 02:39 57 Corvette wrote: I've played Nami once or twice, and I just can't play her well. I guess she doesn't fit my style. She is one of (if not only) the designed-to-support (not zyra, not fiddle, not nunu) characters that I can't play. A question about sightstone: Should I be rushing it every game, or should i hold off until later on some supports? I pretty much rush Sightstone on every support and forgo GP10 outside of Runes/Masteries. The sooner you buy it the more money it's going to save you as the game progresses. | ||
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