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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 11 2013 06:26 GMT
#2241
On March 11 2013 14:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
NA LCS and MLG Dallas both begin on Friday.


That's going to be kinda rough to watch both at once.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 11 2013 07:09 GMT
#2242
On March 11 2013 15:26 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 14:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
NA LCS and MLG Dallas both begin on Friday.


That's going to be kinda rough to watch both at once.

Dual screen for the win.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 11 2013 07:26 GMT
#2243
On March 11 2013 14:19 Abenson wrote:
WAIT
WHAT IF THIS NEW AMORPHOUS BLOB CHAMP IS ACTUALLY AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE

A little early considering April is still 20 days away, that would certainly be a long con on Riot's part lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
March 11 2013 07:33 GMT
#2244
On March 11 2013 15:26 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 14:40 NeoIllusions wrote:
NA LCS and MLG Dallas both begin on Friday.


That's going to be kinda rough to watch both at once.

MLG matches are all scheduled to not interfere with one another, it will be like any other MLG event in terms of time used (or aproximatly atleast) http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/2013_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Championship#Schedule
washed
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
March 11 2013 08:01 GMT
#2245
I'm watching Phreak's stream for the first time and I must say it's quite good. He commentates a lot, explains what he wants to do, doesn't rage, etc...
I used to hate him when he was commentating months ago, but I must admit he stepped up quite well.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 11 2013 08:17 GMT
#2246
He gives tonnes of information and entertainment.
KCCO!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
March 11 2013 08:43 GMT
#2247
Man, Mistake is so funny
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 11 2013 08:55 GMT
#2248
On March 11 2013 17:43 Lylat wrote:
Man, Mistake is so funny

Everytime gets caught by taric stun "HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME" in chinese. lol.

the entire game he complains about how shitty crucible was. lol. looks like he's leveling up a smurf; only in silver 1 right now.
liftlift > tsm
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 11 2013 09:28 GMT
#2249
So I want to discuss a certain bug-champion...

For the first month and a half of Season 3 it seemed like Khazix was an unstoppable force, being what I would call something like an AD Katarina with his reset potential, not to mention that huge range with W / Evolved E and the completely broken damage on his Q.

So why did people stop playing him? He barely got nerfed and yet I never see him picked or banned. Did people figure out counters? Seekers Armguard OP? I myself can't figure it out. I thought Warmogs meta was the reason but I remember he was quite a big fan of it as well, as it synergized with that evolved R active.

;~;
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 11 2013 09:43 GMT
#2250
man, i missed the nami talk?

i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.

i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.

the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 11 2013 09:51 GMT
#2251
On March 11 2013 18:28 Dusty wrote:
So I want to discuss a certain bug-champion...

For the first month and a half of Season 3 it seemed like Khazix was an unstoppable force, being what I would call something like an AD Katarina with his reset potential, not to mention that huge range with W / Evolved E and the completely broken damage on his Q.

So why did people stop playing him? He barely got nerfed and yet I never see him picked or banned. Did people figure out counters? Seekers Armguard OP? I myself can't figure it out. I thought Warmogs meta was the reason but I remember he was quite a big fan of it as well, as it synergized with that evolved R active.

;~;


If you followed IEM this weekend you can see that pros actually didnt stop playing him ( well maybe NA LCS), well for soloq it's mostly because

1. see nerf> OMG MUST NOT BE VIABLE ANYMORE
2. new fotms

No idea why people stopped playing him, I think his biggest skill is his evolved w which was untouched only Q was nerfed slighty, and his Q has always been just meh whatever. Huge reset leap and W much stronger
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 11 2013 10:21 GMT
#2252
On March 11 2013 18:51 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:28 Dusty wrote:
So I want to discuss a certain bug-champion...

For the first month and a half of Season 3 it seemed like Khazix was an unstoppable force, being what I would call something like an AD Katarina with his reset potential, not to mention that huge range with W / Evolved E and the completely broken damage on his Q.

So why did people stop playing him? He barely got nerfed and yet I never see him picked or banned. Did people figure out counters? Seekers Armguard OP? I myself can't figure it out. I thought Warmogs meta was the reason but I remember he was quite a big fan of it as well, as it synergized with that evolved R active.

;~;


If you followed IEM this weekend you can see that pros actually didnt stop playing him ( well maybe NA LCS), well for soloq it's mostly because

1. see nerf> OMG MUST NOT BE VIABLE ANYMORE
2. new fotms

No idea why people stopped playing him, I think his biggest skill is his evolved w which was untouched only Q was nerfed slighty, and his Q has always been just meh whatever. Huge reset leap and W much stronger


It was because he got nerfed. Especially at lower elo, people dont seem to realize that nerfs are not there to remove that champion from play, but to make them stop eclipsing other champions completely. Whether or not Kha'zix still does that I dunno, but he is still really strong. I recently locked him in without any forethought, lagged in teamfights and still completely carried - after that went back to permabanning him.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 11 2013 10:23 GMT
#2253
On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?

i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.

i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.

the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste.



Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous?

Just curious because Im looking to buy her.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
March 11 2013 10:26 GMT
#2254
On March 11 2013 14:31 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:16 chroniX wrote:
Watching a few scrims of curse against a random team from voyboys pov with voicechat last night and then comparing it to the iem games of the korean teams (and maybe gambit) is just hilarious. one can only wonder how these guys can even attend the same tournaments and leagues.

it is just like comparing me and my boys playing a football game for fun to a game of bayern munich. we have no overall game plan or tactic. everyone plays his role to his best and we go with it,

i havent watched any other NA teams and only a few european teams playing the last months but if thats the status of the scene these guys have to get off their rockstar life and start working or lol will have the same situation as sc2.

in before "nyjacky wasnt playing" , "they were trying new stuff" , "it was just a scrim".... i know and i think i know how to weight those games but it was quite obvious what was going on.


I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway..


Gambit is the only non-Asian team that can beat them IMO. I want NA scene to do well but can't really judge results when they have only been playing each other for the last couple months.

I wouldn't take any scrims that are streamed seriously anyway fwiw, teams will never show their best comps on stream.


What I really want to see is Dig and Clg prove themselves @ Dallas. Dallas Is going to be crazy
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 11 2013 10:27 GMT
#2255
Nami is pretty solid if you want to just be safe. The disengage and sustain are pretty damn good, the Q stops most ganks.
KCCO!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 10:48:25
March 11 2013 10:46 GMT
#2256
On March 11 2013 19:26 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 14:31 schmutttt wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:16 chroniX wrote:
Watching a few scrims of curse against a random team from voyboys pov with voicechat last night and then comparing it to the iem games of the korean teams (and maybe gambit) is just hilarious. one can only wonder how these guys can even attend the same tournaments and leagues.

it is just like comparing me and my boys playing a football game for fun to a game of bayern munich. we have no overall game plan or tactic. everyone plays his role to his best and we go with it,

i havent watched any other NA teams and only a few european teams playing the last months but if thats the status of the scene these guys have to get off their rockstar life and start working or lol will have the same situation as sc2.

in before "nyjacky wasnt playing" , "they were trying new stuff" , "it was just a scrim".... i know and i think i know how to weight those games but it was quite obvious what was going on.


I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway..


Gambit is the only non-Asian team that can beat them IMO. I want NA scene to do well but can't really judge results when they have only been playing each other for the last couple months.

I wouldn't take any scrims that are streamed seriously anyway fwiw, teams will never show their best comps on stream.


What I really want to see is Dig and Clg prove themselves @ Dallas. Dallas Is going to be crazy


clg wont get a chance to prove themselves, only dig and curse. Personally I expect GG>Dig and KTB>Curse though GG vs Dig could be alot closer than I think.

Now that I think about I just realized how dumb it is that KTB and GG both fly thousands of km just to play 2 bo3 max.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
March 11 2013 11:38 GMT
#2257
I dunno about NA, but EU still has a Kha in pretty much every game around 1500 Elo.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 11:50:03
March 11 2013 11:42 GMT
#2258
On March 11 2013 19:23 Purge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:43 kainzero wrote:
man, i missed the nami talk?

i've been spamming her since last week in order to get a better feel for how she really plays. i think she makes a decent pick in certain situations. mostly for her ult. when they buffed her tidal wave speed it actually made it a bit more usable as an initiate.

i think her laning phase is pretty weak though. it's hard for a +nami lane to outright win.

the one thing that i hate most is how tidecaller's blessing is nearly invisible. i can almost never cast it on anybody because no one realizes they have it on them and it's just a waste.



Would you say that her laning phase is like Janna's? In that she is kind of mediocre because if she misses Q she is useless, but out of lane her kit makes her exceedingly dangerous?

Just curious because Im looking to buy her.

Hm... That's a pretty good comparison. I'd say you rely on the Q a little less than Janna because your E is deceptively good, but if you really need to hit your Q and it misses, you can be in a very dangerous spot. She has advantages over Janna because sustain, disadvantages because Janna's Q is way easier to hit (but Nami's Q is a lot more rewarding when you DO hit.) You can play the lane phase like a Soraka if you get behind, though - something Janna has a harder time doing. It takes a lot more mana for Nami to play like this than Soraka, though. You kindof want to be harassing by using E on yourself and being a dick with E/W. (remember, you have hella movespeed when you E yourself, run in, smack them once or twice and slow them, W them or yourself, then back off while they're still slowed)

Only E your carry or someone else when it's clear there's a fight going on and they'd be silly to attack minions. E is secretly VERY good to cast on yourself during lane, as you have the freedom to not need to CS for the full duration. (It's also really helpful to put on your carry when you're stuck under tower and they're trying to pick up all the CS)

Oh, junglers won't realize it, but putting it on them when they come charging in to gank is also awesome. Movespeed and slow power (less useful if they have redbuff - probably better to put on yourself in that case)

She is definitely a lot better in full teamfights. Her ult is downright AMAZING for them, useful as an initiate or disengage or followup or counterinitiate. You get a guaranteed Q after your ult, get to bounce your heal around all over the place, and you can E a carry or frontliner knowing they aren't going to waste it. You then get further very-likely Q's following allies CC or just when enemies are too busy to dodge. Be patient with your Q though. Trying to catch someone with Q and missing can be devastating. Following up someone else's CC and extending it by another second, especially on multiple people, makes you feel amazing. Especially when it's a Diana or Orianna whose suck-in abilities are basically perfect for you to chain afterwards. Wombo combo.

W>E>Q or E>W>Q

The 3 sec duration buff to tidecaller's blessing will be giving us a lot more freedom, too. It's hard to get all 3 autos off (fear not - it's not a waste if you don't. It's a relatively short CD and as long as you get away while the enemy is still slowed you're doing it right)

Spamming W makes you go oom, but holy cow is it so good at trading. It's like a slap in the face when you heal all the damage Lulu traded into you immediately upon bouncing the heal off her and onto yourself.
I'm wondering if I should take a page out of elementz book and start getting chalice into a lategame grail. So mana hungry, and later on 40% CDR is disgustingly good. (Been getting zeke's, but I run oom so easily like that.)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 11 2013 11:46 GMT
#2259
On March 11 2013 19:46 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 19:26 Purge wrote:
On March 11 2013 14:31 schmutttt wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:51 Parnage wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:16 chroniX wrote:
Watching a few scrims of curse against a random team from voyboys pov with voicechat last night and then comparing it to the iem games of the korean teams (and maybe gambit) is just hilarious. one can only wonder how these guys can even attend the same tournaments and leagues.

it is just like comparing me and my boys playing a football game for fun to a game of bayern munich. we have no overall game plan or tactic. everyone plays his role to his best and we go with it,

i havent watched any other NA teams and only a few european teams playing the last months but if thats the status of the scene these guys have to get off their rockstar life and start working or lol will have the same situation as sc2.

in before "nyjacky wasnt playing" , "they were trying new stuff" , "it was just a scrim".... i know and i think i know how to weight those games but it was quite obvious what was going on.


I am going to go out on the limb and take the real risk of saying that Curse could take on those CJ lads. Can't wait to be proven most likely wrong but I am not going to go up and predict doom from Korean overlords due to IEM's results. Not yet anyway..


Gambit is the only non-Asian team that can beat them IMO. I want NA scene to do well but can't really judge results when they have only been playing each other for the last couple months.

I wouldn't take any scrims that are streamed seriously anyway fwiw, teams will never show their best comps on stream.


What I really want to see is Dig and Clg prove themselves @ Dallas. Dallas Is going to be crazy


clg wont get a chance to prove themselves, only dig and curse. Personally I expect GG>Dig and KTB>Curse though GG vs Dig could be alot closer than I think.

Now that I think about I just realized how dumb it is that KTB and GG both fly thousands of km just to play 2 bo3 max.

CLG v CRS is definitely an opportunity for CLG to prove themselves, though if it's a Nyjackyless Curse, it won't be as strong proof as one might want. Also, rematch with Marn. Will they get marned again?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 11 2013 11:52 GMT
#2260
I assumed it was clg getting a chance to prove themselves vs international competition since the whole quote is about whether crs would stand a chance vs frist/blaze etc^^

Of course I know that there's still LCS going on^^

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