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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 11 2013 16:43 GMT
#3221
On February 12 2013 01:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 01:24 BlueSpace wrote:
It's more about whether you want to have a brutalizer on Vi or a phage for early ganks. I prefer the brutalizer for a stronger burst. I usually then buy boots -> spirit stone -> belt -> golem spirit -> Tabi
Cleaver comes whenever I feel that I'm able to withstand the burst from the enemy team in order to be able to initiate at will. Order gets sometimes mixed up depending on how much gold I get. I then add Warmogs/Randuins and I never got further than that to be honest. I used to start phage -> boots -> mallet, but I like the build now better.


I've found Stinger to be a good first item in the jungle (originally suggested by Monte). The AS combined with W is super nice to have. Also from his build, having boots2 first (or near first) lets me stick on targets just fine until going for Phage.

Didn't try that yet. Can you give the full build? Would be interested to try.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 16:46:55
February 11 2013 16:46 GMT
#3222
On February 12 2013 01:43 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 01:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 12 2013 01:24 BlueSpace wrote:
It's more about whether you want to have a brutalizer on Vi or a phage for early ganks. I prefer the brutalizer for a stronger burst. I usually then buy boots -> spirit stone -> belt -> golem spirit -> Tabi
Cleaver comes whenever I feel that I'm able to withstand the burst from the enemy team in order to be able to initiate at will. Order gets sometimes mixed up depending on how much gold I get. I then add Warmogs/Randuins and I never got further than that to be honest. I used to start phage -> boots -> mallet, but I like the build now better.


I've found Stinger to be a good first item in the jungle (originally suggested by Monte). The AS combined with W is super nice to have. Also from his build, having boots2 first (or near first) lets me stick on targets just fine until going for Phage.

Didn't try that yet. Can you give the full build? Would be interested to try.


It's Mach5 -> Armor Boots -> Stinger -> Phage -> Fro. Mal -> Tanky. You go WQWE, then R -> Q -> W -> E so you're a % health unkillable initiation monster.

Edit: Hmmm... it might be time for a Vi thread with all the discussions about her. Gotta use that Strategy Forum!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
February 11 2013 16:48 GMT
#3223
Do we know how much losses we can afford before getting a demotion (After we just got promoted?)
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 16:49:30
February 11 2013 16:49 GMT
#3224
On February 12 2013 01:48 XenOmega wrote:
Do we know how much losses we can afford before getting a demotion (After we just got promoted?)


Depends on your MMR, which is hidden, enjoy.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 11 2013 16:55 GMT
#3225
I don't see how Stinger is a good first item on jungle Vi, her w is a 1 point wonder and gives a decent AS steroid with the 3rd attack, her E has huge AD ratios with 115% . Bruta way better imo

Elder Lizard vs Ancient Golem is debatable, Madred/Wriggles not necessary imo, she kills even buffs so fast, you barely take any damage because of her passive, maybe for early dragon strats.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
February 11 2013 17:05 GMT
#3226
On February 12 2013 01:49 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 01:48 XenOmega wrote:
Do we know how much losses we can afford before getting a demotion (After we just got promoted?)


Depends on your MMR, which is hidden, enjoy.


The only way you can get demoted is by not playing for a month or something like that.
:3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 11 2013 17:05 GMT
#3227
1.15 isn't "huge", each hit of Xin's Q does more damage. Vi's E is good as AoE, not that great as single-target damage. I only get stinger after phage though, sticking power and early HP > pure dps stats.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 17:06:43
February 11 2013 17:05 GMT
#3228
On February 12 2013 01:55 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't see how Stinger is a good first item on jungle Vi, her w is a 1 point wonder and gives a decent AS steroid with the 3rd attack, her E has huge AD ratios with 115% . Bruta way better imo

Elder Lizard vs Ancient Golem is debatable, Madred/Wriggles not necessary imo, she kills even buffs so fast, you barely take any damage because of her passive, maybe for early dragon strats.

It gives more attackspeed to get to the W burst faster. Not only that, you can turn it into Zephyr for ridiculous amount of cost effectiveness and tenacity. Frees you up to get SotEL if you so desire.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 11 2013 17:05 GMT
#3229
On February 12 2013 00:51 TheYango wrote:
Because chasing power is only useful when you actually win fights in the first place (buying cost-inefficient stats tends to not make you win straight-up fights), and as a kiting item, Triforce is more cost-efficient AND gives three kiting-relevant stats (MS, AS, and the slow), while Mallet gives a better slow but ONLY gives the slow and no MS or AS.


Sticking power is important to winning fights. There's a 56.25% chance that an auto+reset will not apply Phage slow. Bad luck can mean your target uses an escape ability and begins kiting unimpaired. For a champion like Vi who doesn't have endless, unblockable gap closers (e.g. Xin Zhao) that can be fatal during a team fight.

You can get around this by letting Vi take all Red buffs, but if your ranged AD carry needs them it can be a big issue. Warmog's without a means of slowing makes Vi's lack of sticking power apparent.

That doesn't mean that Mallet is better than Warmog's, but I think the guaranteed slow on Mallet is undervalued (largely due to the popularity of champions like Xin Zhao who don't need it).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 11 2013 17:06 GMT
#3230
On February 12 2013 01:55 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't see how Stinger is a good first item on jungle Vi, her w is a 1 point wonder and gives a decent AS steroid with the 3rd attack, her E has huge AD ratios with 115% . Bruta way better imo

Elder Lizard vs Ancient Golem is debatable, Madred/Wriggles not necessary imo, she kills even buffs so fast, you barely take any damage because of her passive, maybe for early dragon strats.

I agree that Elder Lizard can be the better choice, especially if the enemy team is ap heavy and you actually want the mercury not only for tenacity but also for a bit of early MR.
Still building Elder Lizard means spending gold on a pickaxe. I rather use that to finish my cleaver if I'm building offensive items so not sure on when to get it.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 11 2013 17:20 GMT
#3231
On February 12 2013 01:55 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't see how Stinger is a good first item on jungle Vi, her w is a 1 point wonder and gives a decent AS steroid with the 3rd attack, her E has huge AD ratios with 115% . Bruta way better imo

Elder Lizard vs Ancient Golem is debatable, Madred/Wriggles not necessary imo, she kills even buffs so fast, you barely take any damage because of her passive, maybe for early dragon strats.


W can be a one-point wonder, but maxing it gets you 10% max health damage on that third hit PLUS more when you get some AD in there (which you should). With the AS, you're doing that A LOT, especially if you're nigh invincible by building tanky. You can certainly go damage style (see XJ9, obv), but maxing W gives you good damage even if you don't BUILD much. You just want some more AS.

And yeah, as Gahlo said, Zephyr is super good on her too. Esp if you want something like gank boots instead of extra tenacity.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
February 11 2013 17:22 GMT
#3232
Anybody else has a problem with League with Windows 8 ?
Sometimes when I play a couple of games like 3-4 the Summoning screen will just freeze at a certain % and then I'm unable to reconnect... It's really annoying since I already have a dozen freeloses in ranked and besides I might get banned (I'm actually surprised I'm not banned yet...)

HELP PLZ !
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 11 2013 17:28 GMT
#3233
On February 12 2013 02:22 Lylat wrote:
Anybody else has a problem with League with Windows 8 ?
Sometimes when I play a couple of games like 3-4 the Summoning screen will just freeze at a certain % and then I'm unable to reconnect... It's really annoying since I already have a dozen freeloses in ranked and besides I might get banned (I'm actually surprised I'm not banned yet...)

HELP PLZ !


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243201
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
February 11 2013 17:31 GMT
#3234
Oh wow what a newb, sry
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 11 2013 17:33 GMT
#3235
Apparently NASL gunna be talking to entire Curse team on The Pulse (their caster centric news/tv show).
liftlift > tsm
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 11 2013 17:34 GMT
#3236
Alright, well I got temp banned for 3 days and I'm so ridiculously bored right now lol. Does anyone know how many times you can be temp banned before you get perma'd?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 11 2013 17:34 GMT
#3237
no idea but I assume the ban before perma should be 14 days.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
February 11 2013 17:35 GMT
#3238
On February 12 2013 02:34 IMoperator wrote:
Alright, well I got temp banned for 3 days and I'm so ridiculously bored right now lol. Does anyone know how many times you can be temp banned before you get perma'd?


There's no finite amount.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 11 2013 17:40 GMT
#3239
On February 12 2013 02:05 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 01:49 red_ wrote:
On February 12 2013 01:48 XenOmega wrote:
Do we know how much losses we can afford before getting a demotion (After we just got promoted?)


Depends on your MMR, which is hidden, enjoy.


The only way you can get demoted is by not playing for a month or something like that.


You can't get demoted from a league(except Challenger) but you can definitely be demoted from League I->II->III->IV->V, and you really can't know when it will happen(I'm sure you can get a general idea, like if you win a game at very low LP and still get very little LP from it, you're probably on the demotion block).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 11 2013 17:48 GMT
#3240
On February 12 2013 02:34 IMoperator wrote:
Alright, well I got temp banned for 3 days and I'm so ridiculously bored right now lol. Does anyone know how many times you can be temp banned before you get perma'd?

Is this your first account? Generally it's something like 6-7 times from what I've heard. It probably depends on other factors like how much time passes between bans, etc.

Riot can connect smurf accounts with their mains and smurfs of mains who have been perma'd have been banned after only 2 or 3 bans.
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