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On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that.
it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are still making an effort to w
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On January 29 2013 03:37 GregMandel wrote:
Alex Ich said in his AMA that he didnt like Viktor at all
So, we shouldnt speak nice of Alex Ich anymore right ? :D
He didn't say Viktor wasn't viable, he only said he didn't like him at all because when he tried to play him it was a disaster. We can forgive him for playstyle and preference.
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On January 29 2013 03:44 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:37 GregMandel wrote:
Alex Ich said in his AMA that he didnt like Viktor at all
So, we shouldnt speak nice of Alex Ich anymore right ? :D He didn't say Viktor wasn't viable, he only said he didn't like him at all because when he tried to play him it was a disaster. We can forgive him for playstyle and preference.
Yeah I wrote that he didn't like it, and if someone dislikes what I like, then I shall hate him and despise him, no ? :p
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On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that.
If you start a surrender vote but your team votes no, it's pretty selfish to stop playing -- you're basically saying that you think your vote matters more than your teammates'.
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On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that.
it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are making an effort to win. you may want to give up, but as long as the surrender vote fails, you have an obligation to keep playing
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On January 29 2013 03:47 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. If you start a surrender vote but your team votes no, it's pretty selfish to stop playing -- you're basically saying that you think your vote matters more than your teammates'.
If that false sense of superiority doesn't sum up the overall solo queue experience, I don't know what does.
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On January 29 2013 03:47 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are making an effort to win. you may want to give up, but as long as the surrender vote fails, you have an obligation to keep playing
sorry for the multiple posts, this app doesn't seem to support edits
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On January 29 2013 03:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:47 thenexusp wrote:On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. If you start a surrender vote but your team votes no, it's pretty selfish to stop playing -- you're basically saying that you think your vote matters more than your teammates'. If that false sense of superiority doesn't sum up the overall solo queue experience, I don't know what does.
I'd say the essence of solo q is the worse you play the more you flame your teammates.
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On January 29 2013 03:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:47 thenexusp wrote:On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. If you start a surrender vote but your team votes no, it's pretty selfish to stop playing -- you're basically saying that you think your vote matters more than your teammates'. If that false sense of superiority doesn't sum up the overall solo queue experience, I don't know what does.
I mean I kind of fall in-between on this one, if people don't agree to surrender I get kind of annoyed but I won't stop playing.
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So glad voyboy switched to twitch, much better quality.
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On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that.
I will always vote no if I feel that there's anything valuable that can still be learnt from the game, which is almost always the case. Learning how to play from behind, how to capitalize on small errors, how to defend inhibitors, how to teamfight when behind; these are all very valuable skills.
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I'm waiting for spirit of the wraith to lose 300 gold so I can start dropping that shit on ww. I think it's going to be really strong
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On January 29 2013 03:55 wei2coolman wrote:
So glad voyboy switched to twitch, much better quality.
One of these days if I feel like whoring for upvotes or some shit I'll drag up a screenshot from S1 where Voy carried me in a normal.
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On January 29 2013 03:37 GregMandel wrote:
Alex Ich said in his AMA that he didnt like Viktor at all
So, we shouldnt speak nice of Alex Ich anymore right ? :D
Alex who?
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I think it can be pretty fun playing from far behind. Once you know your chances of winning are very slim you can justify making very risky plays such as 1v5 baron smite steals. Sometimes if it really is clear its over I will try and set objectives for myself like okay no matter what happens I just want to try to kill their adc once. It can help with practice too since once the pressure of winning or losing is less you can focus on improving. I will start surrender votes, but if the team disagrees I just roll with it and try to learn/have fun.
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On January 29 2013 03:44 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are still making an effort to w
actually it's a fuck ton more rude to quit playing when everyone else is trying to win what makes your idea of a game being over more important than someone elses?. i fucking hate when people just start to afk when they think a game is lost. i'll vote yes in the situation but i always play hard no matter what.
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Voyboy talking about Red Elixir starts. Saying how it's very good on anyone who can "choose when they want to brawl" (Mostly champions with really good gapcloses) and how it's a more aggressive version of "spend all my money on consumables for a strong lane")
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On January 29 2013 04:06 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:44 barbsq wrote:On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are still making an effort to w actually it's a fuck ton more rude to quit playing when everyone else is trying to win what makes your idea of a game being over more important than someone elses?. i fucking hate when people just start to afk when they think a game is lost. i'll vote yes in the situation but i always play hard no matter what.
I think barbsq has the same opinion as you lol
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On January 29 2013 04:14 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 04:06 wussleeQ wrote:On January 29 2013 03:44 barbsq wrote:On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are still making an effort to w actually it's a fuck ton more rude to quit playing when everyone else is trying to win what makes your idea of a game being over more important than someone elses?. i fucking hate when people just start to afk when they think a game is lost. i'll vote yes in the situation but i always play hard no matter what. I think barbsq has the same opinion as you lol
oh i know, i'm just giving my thoughts on the topic as a whole.
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On January 29 2013 03:44 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:36 Ketara wrote:On January 29 2013 03:33 AsnSensation wrote:On January 29 2013 03:22 Ketara wrote:
Jungle Vi's early game gank damage is really gross. At level 3 or so she can burst about 60% of a laners health down in one combo.
Also, I find the people who shit talk the most are also the people who refuse to do surrender votes. I think it's because they're so self absorbed that they think they can turn a game around by themselves no matter what the actual situation is.
I get really angry when people vote no on surrenders when you're like 20 kills behind. I'll just stop playing to get them to vote yes, not surrendering at that point is just wasting everybodies time. the only problem is ever since I adopted the never surrender in Solo Q attitude I've actually pulled several comebacks where I would have surrendered usually. People don't lie when they say every game is winnable, imo it's worth it even if it's only 1 out of 5 games. Like if you are really that far behind that there's no chance to win, the enemy usually only needs 5minutes to finish. Still 5 minutes of wasting everybodies time. There are games where you're behind and you can still win sure, but there are also games where you're behind and it's blatantly obvious you can't win, but people still vote no anyway. It's rude to everybody else playing the game to make them sit through that. it's equally rude to quit playing when other people are still making an effort to w
No, it's not. If it's a game where say, you're 20 kills down, have inhibitors dead, and haven't taken a single tower yet, with everybody on the team with a negative kill/death ratio, you can't win. There are games that get to that point and still drag on an extra 15 minutes because the losing team won't surrender and the winning team is playing too safe to end it quickly. Not playing at that point is simply speeding an already finished game along so that you can get into the next game faster. Continuing to play is what's rude.
What I'm trying to say is that while there are games where you are down and can still win, there are games that are obvious losses and still drag on. There is a difference between the two. In the former not surrendering makes sense, in the latter not surrendering doesn't make sense and is in fact a pretty dick thing to do.
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