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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On January 11 2013 21:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: In my past month of spamming solo queue and 5s, at no moment have I thought wow ADCs are really weak right now. I have thought that "assassins" like khazix/elise are a bit broken. Riven can also be a bit overpowered, as with eve, rest are w/e. I'd still take ezreal first pick in 5s over any of those champions. Assassins are also a lot more stronger in solo queue than in 5s, where you'll find early snowball situations much less likely. In solo queue say one team has xin jungle/khazix mid/elise top, and the other has something like mundo/ahri/shen, one mistake by the latter team during pre lv6 lane phase will most likely cost them the game, whereas even if someone like ahri/shen get fb they have no way of snowballing it. I think Kha and also Elise to some extent do stupid amounts of damage with almost no items. So no matter how early game goes, they are always a threat. | ||
WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 11 2013 21:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: In my past month of spamming solo queue and 5s, at no moment have I thought wow ADCs are really weak right now. Well. A role which focuses on getting items which synergize well with each other SHOULD be weak when having only one item. Late game ADs are still as potent as before, but the fact is that only a few still have strong presence in the first teamfights. And this is were MF is best, so it explains her popularity. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On January 11 2013 20:44 kongoline wrote: people are blowing it out of proportion, i would say only thing what changed is that ad casters for the first time are viable while in S2 only ap assassins were viable and people are upset because meta has changed , im pretty sure fizz has still better burst than any ad assassin, if u think the game is too bursty right now look at current ogn games ad/ap carries arent replaced by assasins there but thanks to changes at least theres option to play them now which imo is fair, people should adopt and stop build 100% glass cannon in every game (also better path for cloth armor would help, atm its stupid i cant do nothing with it except tabis) Fizz does NOT have higher burst than Khazix/Zed lol | ||
Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
On January 11 2013 22:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: Also, I think the biggest difference between the average high elo player and truly good players is the ability to play from behind. At lower elo people will get an advantage and not know what to do with it. At higher elo people will exploit advantages as hard as they can, but often too hard, and thus throw. But there are rarely players who can stop the other laner or jungler from snowballing. It requires a lot of mental control to not get frustrated and knowingly put yourself even more behind in order to save the game. The most apparent difference I've noticed between games with legitimate good players and a similar elo game with unknowns is that no matter how behind, good solo/ADs will always find enough farm somehow and be a factor late game, and no matter the early advantage, by the first 1st or 2nd team fight, both teams will be relatively even. Good players are really balanced and can get strong in all situations, those qualities are also what makes a good 5s player. This, I have so often watchted Wickd's stream: He died 2-3 times in lane, couldn't go in lane without dying. It looked like he barely got any farm, but somehow he was able to stay even in cs. Taking their own wraiths, enemy wraiths, traveling to midlane and taking a few cs there... it just doesn't LOOK like it, but somehow he stays up in gold. | ||
phyvo
United States5635 Posts
I WANT IN TOO. I don't even have to contribute any crazy ideas, I just want to make them happen. The big question though is what's the forum equivalent of a cone of silence? | ||
jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 11 2013 22:40 phyvo wrote: I WANT IN TOO. I don't even have to contribute any crazy ideas, I just want to make them happen. The big question though is what's the forum equivalent of a cone of silence? DAAAAARKNESSSSSS | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
This is all majestic as shit. I would love to be a citizen of Gotham if the T.R.O.L.L.S. and F.E.E.D.E.R.S. were my Justice League. | ||
MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On January 11 2013 21:39 BlueSpace wrote: I think Kha and also Elise to some extent do stupid amounts of damage with almost no items. So no matter how early game goes, they are always a threat. Elise only does stupid amounts of damage if you refuse to build MR. I like Elise at my elo, people just stack health without realizing ill deal almost proportionally more damage | ||
EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On January 11 2013 21:39 BlueSpace wrote: I think Kha and also Elise to some extent do stupid amounts of damage with almost no items. So no matter how early game goes, they are always a threat. Elise is a horrible example - Elise is one of the champions in the game that suffers the most from being behind, but on the other hand she's also THE biggest lane bully. | ||
sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 11 2013 23:33 EquilasH wrote: Elise is a horrible example - Elise is one of the champions in the game that suffers the most from being behind, but on the other hand she's also THE biggest lane bully. Even if she does suffer from being behind (and I'm not sure I buy that), it doesn't change the fact that her damage is extremely high with little itemization, hence her use as a support in Korea currently. | ||
EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On January 11 2013 23:47 sob3k wrote: Even if she does suffer from being behind (and I'm not sure I buy that), it doesn't change the fact that her damage is extremely high with little itemization, hence her use as a support in Korea currently. The fact that she can be played support just means she doesn't need a lot of items to be useful, but the thing is that if you fall behind with Elise all you have is essentially your ranged form since if you go melee without any tankiness you'll just die and you also won't have much bonus AP so you don't deal comparable damage to the opposing Irelia/Jax/Riven/w.e. Edit: What I'm saying is that when compared to the fotm of top laners taking a second support role when you're behind is generally worse than how other top laners can perform when behind. The thing with Elise is that if you play her smart you will barely ever fall behind. I honestly believe she doesn't lose a single matchup both top and mid (and wins most of them). | ||
Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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