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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 06:35:42
January 11 2013 06:28 GMT
#7761
It's a reference to how more power slowly creeps into the game with each release, as champions are better than previously released ones (more and more sustain because of Yorick caused a lot of champs to be unsuitable to go top because they didn't have self-heals, for example, before sustain was nerfed across the board. Xin and Pantheon take a heavy beating by some champs, who were on top of that superior to them outside of lane. Kinda like people thought Fiora was simply a superior version of Yi when she came out, as in quasi identical, but stronger, thus power crept in through her).
It also plays on the notion that as you release stronger champs, the next ones have to follow that "standard" or be UP, so it worsens every time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 06:39:45
January 11 2013 06:31 GMT
#7762
This video does a pretty good job of explaining it.

Edit: (power creep)
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 06:32:48
January 11 2013 06:31 GMT
#7763
On January 11 2013 15:24 1godless wrote:
Can someone give me a definition/overview of the term power creep? Is it related to movement speed creep? I am confus...


In a LoL context it usually refers to the average power of a champion decreasing by virtue of multiple new champions being released with better kits that he original. For example Annie falling out of favor could be explained by power creep (Diana, Ahri, Orianna, new Kat, Syndra etc all having more advanced kits).

Doh! Shend hard.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
January 11 2013 06:34 GMT
#7764
On January 11 2013 15:24 1godless wrote:
Can someone give me a definition/overview of the term power creep? Is it related to movement speed creep? I am confus...


Power creep happens in any game where new elements are added alongside existing ones. Examples are champs in LoL, items in MMOs, or cards in CCGs like magic the gathering. Basically as more elements are added to the game, newer ones may have a tendency to be better than older ones. So power creep is a tendency for newer game elements to have a higher relative power level compared to older ones. Movement creep derives from this in LoL with the proliferation of more and more new-ish champs that have dashes, gap closers, etc.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 11 2013 06:51 GMT
#7765
YO GUYS

FROZEN FIRST KASSADIN

THAT IS ALL
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 11 2013 06:58 GMT
#7766
On January 11 2013 15:51 HazMat wrote:
YO GUYS

FROZEN FIRST KASSADIN

THAT IS ALL


he has the 2nd highest base AD in da game, so yea its pretty gud on him.

Cho is best
I come in for the scraps
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 11 2013 06:59 GMT
#7767
I'm not sure if I should max W though. I got it vs Zed and completely shit on him but I was maxing Q and E. I wonder if I maxed W first or 2nd lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 11 2013 07:12 GMT
#7768
On January 11 2013 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 15:51 HazMat wrote:
YO GUYS

FROZEN FIRST KASSADIN

THAT IS ALL


he has the 2nd highest base AD in da game, so yea its pretty gud on him.

Cho is best

lol I have a friend who went like 15-0 on AD Jungle Kassadin in ranked xD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 07:25:02
January 11 2013 07:24 GMT
#7769
Why would you go frozen fist on kassadin? It doesn't really make sense....

Great, you have like 2 more ad at level 18 than most other champs. The whole thing of FF is the slow which kass can only apply at melee range, which is totally a waste because if you have problems sticking to a target as kass you probably have broken E and R keys on your keyboard.

That shit cost 3400g, so your only gonna get it when laning is like decided and over, and what are you going to open? sheen will be trash and you'll get pooped on if you try to go melee khazix with it, a glacial shroud makes you useless period and you arent gonna be able to cs with either spells or AAs.

AD or hybrid kass isn't that bad (it got worse when they nerfed cutlass in s3), but FF isn't what you should build on him.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
January 11 2013 07:25 GMT
#7770
Just bought Jayce. How do I Q-E combo without my ball going in funny directions after it passes the gate?
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
January 11 2013 07:27 GMT
#7771
On January 11 2013 16:24 sob3k wrote:
Why would you go frozen fist on kassadin? It doesn't really make sense....

Great, you have like 2 more ad at level 18 than most other champs. The whole thing of FF is the slow which kass can only apply at melee range, which is totally a waste because if you have problems sticking to a target as kass you probably have broken E and R keys on your keyboard.

That shit cost 3400g, so your only gonna get it when laning is like decided and over, and what are you going to open? sheen will be trash and you'll get pooped on if you try to go melee khazix with it, a glacial shroud makes you useless period and you arent gonna be able to cs with either spells or AAs.

AD or hybrid kass isn't that bad (it got worse when they nerfed cutlass in s3), but FF isn't what you should build on him.

Glacial first doesn't seem bad against a bruiser mid, Kass likes the CDR and mana pool and needs the armor to stay in lane; it's not like you're wasting the stats.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
January 11 2013 07:28 GMT
#7772
On January 11 2013 16:25 Koenig99 wrote:
Just bought Jayce. How do I Q-E combo without my ball going in funny directions after it passes the gate?


Aim it better lol? It goes in a straight line, just gotta get used to the acceleration
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
January 11 2013 07:31 GMT
#7773
On January 11 2013 16:28 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 16:25 Koenig99 wrote:
Just bought Jayce. How do I Q-E combo without my ball going in funny directions after it passes the gate?


Aim it better lol? It goes in a straight line, just gotta get used to the acceleration

I smartcast both, but even when aim in the same place, sometimes the ball goes different distances.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 11 2013 07:34 GMT
#7774
On January 11 2013 16:31 Koenig99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 16:28 Louuster wrote:
On January 11 2013 16:25 Koenig99 wrote:
Just bought Jayce. How do I Q-E combo without my ball going in funny directions after it passes the gate?


Aim it better lol? It goes in a straight line, just gotta get used to the acceleration

I smartcast both, but even when aim in the same place, sometimes the ball goes different distances.


You know it turns into a line skillshot when it goes through the gate right? It explodes on the first thing it hits, creep or champ.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 08:08:15
January 11 2013 08:05 GMT
#7775
I think I know what his problem is, at least I had a similar one. When trying to cast the combo very quickly often times you'll put the gate right in front of you and cast E instantly, but since your cursor is really close to your character from casting the gate, it makes aiming into the distance a lot harder if you're not used to it. The easiest solution is to just take a second, and move your mouse to aim like you would with a normal skillshot without the gate. At least that helped me a lot.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 11 2013 08:12 GMT
#7776
On January 11 2013 15:51 HazMat wrote:
YO GUYS

FROZEN FIRST KASSADIN

THAT IS ALL


What we need is an elite crew of the best minds this subforum has to offer, a team that does nothing but sit down, propose seemingly off the wall ideas, and put them to the test. A brain trust unfettered by the habits and inertia of the community at large. A place where new concepts such as this can flourish without being mercilessly shot down. A think tank, a collective entity that does not break the meta so much as transcend it.

All it needs is a suitably ironic acronym and we're well on our way to a Saturday morning cartoon and a breakfast cereal.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 11 2013 08:17 GMT
#7777
On January 11 2013 09:31 Gearuza wrote:
New super skin sale:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-skin-sale-skin-super-sale

Riot's really raking in the dough this holiday season


Finally it's here!

*gets Swain*
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 08:32:41
January 11 2013 08:31 GMT
#7778
On January 11 2013 17:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 09:31 Gearuza wrote:
New super skin sale:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-skin-sale-skin-super-sale

Riot's really raking in the dough this holiday season


Finally it's here!

*gets Swain*


I want the Swain....But I also want the Sona. Already have Morg & Vayne skins, and I don't play the rest =/

Have enough RP for both, but I already bought legendary nocturne >.>

First world problems.....
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 08:35:49
January 11 2013 08:33 GMT
#7779
On January 11 2013 15:21 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 14:39 Shikyo wrote:
On January 11 2013 14:25 darkcloud8282 wrote:
But what if they never back and just last hit under tower? I'm not strong enough to dive them and not all champs have poke to harass with.

If they never back you win the lane for free. Also situations to harrass will definitely arrive. You need to be a very very specific champion to have nothing to kill or harrass with. I can't even think of a single one.

Xin, Wukong, Irelia, Jax, etc. can't harass with skills, unless they hit at the edge of the tower's range and back away before it fires, but everybody can do that if your opponent isn't careful.
To get more than a quick auto in, though, they need to commit, and thus if the opponent isn't weakened enough to die from the dive it can be tricky to harass them (compared to, say, Olaf, Darius, Jayce, etc.).

I think you overestimate towers. Jax for example can just tank tower, hit you with his combo bursting you for 50% and go back to farming and then kill you when his cooldowns are back. This is a "person who shops + is full hp vs person with empty inventory"-scenario.

On January 11 2013 17:12 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 15:51 HazMat wrote:
YO GUYS

FROZEN FIRST KASSADIN

THAT IS ALL


What we need is an elite crew of the best minds this subforum has to offer, a team that does nothing but sit down, propose seemingly off the wall ideas, and put them to the test. A brain trust unfettered by the habits and inertia of the community at large. A place where new concepts such as this can flourish without being mercilessly shot down. A think tank, a collective entity that does not break the meta so much as transcend it.

All it needs is a suitably ironic acronym and we're well on our way to a Saturday morning cartoon and a breakfast cereal.

Well Frozen heart Kassadin used to be pretty common until FH got nerfed. It's not exactly an off the wall idea imo, pretty logical.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 08:42:59
January 11 2013 08:40 GMT
#7780
On January 11 2013 14:25 darkcloud8282 wrote:
But what if they never back and just last hit under tower? I'm not strong enough to dive them and not all champs have poke to harass with.

I don't know which level you play at, so this might sound overly simplistic and obvious, but basically: Pushing the wave into the opponents tower range resets the wave. A wave reset happens when every single one of your minions dies to the tower before the opponents next creep wave arrives at their tower, so the opponent last hitting under tower actually helps the reset happen. With experience, you can learn to see if this will happen or not as your creeps reach the opponent tower (based on how big your wave is and how soon your next wave will reach your first tower). If you're sure there's a wave reset incoming, it's safe to back because you lose nothing when your opponent pushes and your wave can't possibly push as it's being reset. Unless your opponent has really good push, he should have a hard time pushing into your tower during the time you're back in base, which is the only way he can make you start losing cs and exp. So you can either push and force a wave reset when you want to back, though I normally find you get into situations where you want to wavereset often enough that there's plenty opportunity to back without forcing it.
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