is not getting a point in w on ADC Ezreal good? Robert Lee doing it on stream, looks pretty good(lower cd escape too).

also is PFE auto attack smoother than the regular ones? really looks like it

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

January 08 2013 04:20 GMT

#6622

On January 08 2013 12:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and to clarify, you essentially max out at 100 souls, which have a chance to drop from every minion, with a 100% chance to drop from champs and siege minions.

This is because the first soul grants you 1 armor/MR/AP, the second grants you 0.99, the third 0.98, etc.

And yeah his animations do feel real clunky and his E is awkward as a motherfucker to use.

Not really true. The decrease is multiplicative somehow, not linear. At least currently. He's very WIP so who knows how it will work on release.

Inschato

Canada1349 Posts

January 08 2013 04:21 GMT

#6623

On January 08 2013 13:05 sob3k wrote:
Man he is going to support ganks so well, just imagine how terrifying its gonna be to have like nautilus fucking zipping into your lane from 975 range with lantern 0_0

Considering how scary it's been when I've actually played Nautilus support.. yeah I definitely think Thresh is going to get some kind of nerfs from his current version. His kit is insane and his numbers are going to have to be really weak.

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

January 08 2013 04:24 GMT

#6624

TAX ALL THE LANES I NEED SOULS

thenexusp

United States3721 Posts

January 08 2013 04:36 GMT

#6625

I've heard the armor/MR/AP per soul increase starts at 1 per soul and then bottoms out at 0.5 per soul - confirm?

Aldrovandi

United States211 Posts

January 08 2013 04:37 GMT

#6626

On January 08 2013 12:20 TheYango wrote:
Trundle was very good in S1, if underplayed. By no means weak, if Jatt's performance with him meant anything.

He just got fucked by the S2 jungle changes, and again by the S3 ones.

How so? I've been having a lot more success with Trundle this season.

ChaoSbringer

Australia1382 Posts

January 08 2013 04:38 GMT

#6627

On January 08 2013 13:36 thenexusp wrote:
I've heard the armor/MR/AP per soul increase starts at 1 per soul and then bottoms out at 0.5 per soul - confirm?

Yes, In the one game I did I had ~124 souls and I recall the tooltip saying the next soul was worth .5

Harrow

United States245 Posts

January 08 2013 04:41 GMT

#6628

On January 08 2013 12:55 onlywonderboy wrote:

Show nested quote +

I thought Riot fired their lore team and that's why the Journal of Justice stopped updating?

nope

Alaric

France45622 Posts

January 08 2013 04:48 GMT

#6629

If it's true (and assuming a somewhat linear decrease) he'd get around 37.5 armor/MR/AP for 50 souls, which could not be that bad considering they can drop pretty fast (and randomly: did a 1v1 mid, was ahead of more or less 10 till ~40, then the other guy killed me twice, got lucky with his drops and ended up ~20 ahead of me). I wonder how it'll do in average, but I don't see him working well with a lane that tends to push or play very conservative, because both cases will make it kinda hard for him to collect souls without taking harass (his range is already a meek 475).

His E is weird at first, then pretty simple once you get the hang of it, but the range is so short that it almost feels like a knock-up rather than a push/pull.
His Q has a bit of a delay before it casts (you can see him do a spin with his hook) and didn't seem to pull the creeps (maybe we just killed those we hit by mistake).

The damage on his passive is #souls minimal, then it ramps up to an additional set % of your AD (exact % depends on the level of the skill) according to how long you spent without attacking.
Related to that, he's the first ranged champion who doesn't hit with a projectile particle, apart from Kayle, but she doesn't have a particle or anything at all while he has his hook going to the target, hitting it and coming back to him (could be awkward with animation cancel, couldn't try with my ~200 ping). It constantly gave me the feeling of being melee because of that, trying to get auto harass in was really weird.

The atmosphere and sounds are very well done though, eerie, ghostly and stuff like that, with moans of souls and lingering complaints. Too bad his lore can't hold up a candle to it.

Inschato

Canada1349 Posts

January 08 2013 04:57 GMT

#6630

Thresh should take teleport so he can get to lanes that are pushing in time to harvest souls. Except supports usually have to take exhaust.. oh well. More souls for the soul god! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Amarok

Australia2003 Posts

January 08 2013 05:03 GMT

#6631

Ryze buffs? Really?

MooMooMugi

United States10531 Posts

January 08 2013 05:15 GMT

#6632

On January 08 2013 14:03 Amarok wrote:
Ryze buffs? Really?

Why not? It's perfectly normal to buff a tanky AP caster who does tons of damage and is really hard to kill. Sounds legit to me

MattBarry

United States4006 Posts

January 08 2013 05:15 GMT

#6633

Saint Vicious bringing Udyr back

Amarok

Australia2003 Posts

January 08 2013 05:24 GMT

#6634

On January 08 2013 12:55 onlywonderboy wrote:

Show nested quote +

I thought Riot fired their lore team and that's why the Journal of Justice stopped updating?

Apparently not. Riot stated that they removed the JoJ in favor of different ways of delivering the lore.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1680645

Vlanitak

Norway3045 Posts

January 08 2013 05:24 GMT

#6635

I have been up for over 24 hours now, firts baby sitting 5 kids, then staying up to baby sitt some more. Only thing that keeps me up is sheer willpower of epik porportions ><

Amethyst21

Canada7032 Posts

January 08 2013 05:27 GMT

#6636

On January 08 2013 14:24 Vlanitak wrote:
I have been up for over 24 hours now, firts baby sitting 5 kids, then staying up to baby sitt some more. Only thing that keeps me up is sheer willpower of epik porportions ><

My first question is : God why.

Vlanitak

Norway3045 Posts

January 08 2013 05:29 GMT

#6637

On January 08 2013 14:27 Amethyst21 wrote:

Show nested quote +

My first question is : God why.

Trust me its worth it. find the slightly hidden words and the hidden meanings :D it is a puzzle

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 08 2013 05:31 GMT

#6638

On January 08 2013 14:15 MooMooMugi wrote:

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Why not? It's perfectly normal to buff a tanky AP caster who does tons of damage and is really hard to kill. Sounds legit to me

Well nerfing Ryze would be dumb when they can do the perfectly reasonable thing of ending the Murmana interactions with spells.

Also he is still the same early.

Amarok

Australia2003 Posts

January 08 2013 05:34 GMT

#6639

On January 08 2013 14:15 MooMooMugi wrote:

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Why not? It's perfectly normal to buff a tanky AP caster who does tons of damage and is really hard to kill. Sounds legit to me

I could understand smoothing out his early game in favor of dropping back his late game but straight ratio buffs just strengthen what he's already good at. (yes I know Q mana ratio was nerfed but W was buffed by the same amount)

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

January 08 2013 05:36 GMT

#6640

Thresh thoughts:

Passive: This bottoms out at 0.5 fairly quickly, so the math behind it pretty quickly becomes a simple 12.75 + 0.5 * Souls. At 100 souls you'll have 62.75 Armor, MR, and AP, which is a number you'll achieve long before you hit 18 unless you're out of lane constantly. W also collects nearby souls and is only 40 mana, so he doesn't even need to put himself in danger to collect them. So long as he's near a creep wave or jungle camp being cleared it's going to be really easy to get into the 150-200 range or more if games drag on past the mid-game.
Q - Passive: The maximum damage is equal to 2*Total AD + Souls, with a minimum that appears close to however many souls you've collected. This deals a lot of damage later in the game if you've been diligently collecting souls, and his attack range isn't too shabby.
Q - Active: The windup on this hook ability is so huge that no pro worth their salt will ever let it hit them unless they're already slowed/rooted/stunned etc. Aiming it is like playing Blitz with 500 MS lag. That said, the fact that it stuns a target for 1.5 seconds + 0.5ish from him E makes it a very strong follow up to other CC. Also, it's a very good tool for initiation even if you have to hit a creep with it in order to be sure you get in range for your R+E combo.
W: The shield is really the least important aspect of this ability. What's most important is that the lantern can collect souls and instantly bring one team member on top of you if they so choose. In terms of supporting jungle ganks, this is extremely potent. It also serves as an escape for his AD. This ability is easily his best and most important.
E: This ability is little more disruptive than a Maokai or Rammus Q, but combined with his other abilities allows him to push or pull enemies into danger. Targeting it is a little tricky at first, but most people will master it in a sitting.
R: This ability does a lot of damage. The best players will position themselves so that two of the walls hit a key target on spawn, dealing up to 675+1.5*AP damage. You can push or pull other people into walls as well. It's not going to be easy to use once you're at a level where players don't panic the moment they see it, and keeping in mind who has Flash will be important. Still, it's a decent ability.
In General: His mana costs are way too low. With just Chalice I was able to spam abilities forever without consequence. While his W should be as cheap as it is, the cost on Q and E needs to go up to make whiffing them painful. He also gets absurdly tanky very quickly. He can easily have the effective armor of a level 18 well before that point if he isn't dying needlessly, and gets a crapton of MR and AP on top of that to boot. I would not be shocked if his passive got nerfed. He'll probably end up being a support as he does so much without items that it would be silly to have him solo. You'll absolutely need to crush him early in lane as he quickly gains way too much defense.