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TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 08 2013 02:36 GMT

#6581

lol Thresh's Q seems like they finally figured out how to implement ally Pudge hooks without them being a griefing tool.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

January 08 2013 02:39 GMT

#6582

If anything, Rammus has a far easier time hitting the midgame now with the golem spirit item. Hell, once he has it, he can tower dive almost at will and start doing all sorts of shenanigans. Don't bother with either wriggles or sunfire. Rammus doesn't need them. Just prioritize W early, getting a couple levels of E at levels 4 and 5/7.

With regards to ganks, wtf more can you possibly want than powerball (speed boost + slow) and a taunt? Rammus is stupidly easy to gank with compared to most junglers.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

January 08 2013 02:40 GMT

#6583

On January 08 2013 11:32 phyvo wrote:

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On January 08 2013 11:24 Zooper31 wrote:

On January 08 2013 11:18 obesechicken13 wrote:

On January 08 2013 11:08 sylverfyre wrote:

On January 08 2013 09:49 xDaunt wrote:

On January 08 2013 09:22 Scip wrote:

On January 08 2013 08:48 Dusty wrote:
Why don't people play Rammus? He seems like a fine champ.

Oh dude you have NO idea, he is the next best thing after Amumu. His clear speed is comparable to anyone who can't jump over walls and even against those his clear speed isn't that bad. While his initiation is worse than you'd initially think, you will have problems finding a champion better suited for raping assasins. Riven, Katarina, Kha'Zix all get absolutely destroyed by 3 second hard CC and a knockup to boot. Rammus also deals surprising amount of dmg in the midgame thanks to his ult and armor scaling.

His ganks are also just pure ridiculousness, especially in the middle lane if your partner has a CC of his own, like Ryze/TF/Ahri. They are so hard to escape and having strong middle lane ganks is like the most important thing for a jungler.

I agree with this. Sure, Rammus isn't great in jungle duels, but he can fuck a lane over with his ganks like few other champs. Think you're safe under a tower? Not with Rammus around! While he is basically limited to single-target CC for the late game, he can really take it to any AD assassin or AD carry and kill them basically singlehandedly. Also, don't forget about his speed which gives him great map presence during the laning phase. I think Rammus is a lot better than people give him credit for. Maybe top players can really exploit his weaknesses, but he can still pubstomp pretty hard at lower ELOs.

Even if you catch him in a jungle duel and can theoretically win against him, it won't happen quick, meaning it's more down to whose teammates show up sooner - and if you want to get away, he won't let you.

Machete and its buildup items (can go either direction, wriggles or ancient golem) really helped his jungle clear problems compared to S2.

He's not a great duelist but he definitely has weaknesses. He used to be a lot stronger before the series of nerfs.

You can't max all your abilities on Rammus at once so he's always lacking in burst, cc, or tankiness. You can't build sunfire and wriggles at the same time so you either suffer in tankiness or clear speed for a long time. I think he's gained a lot from the new jungle and the cost of madreds, as well as the incoming nerf to small jungle minions.

I don't think he's an early game champion. Rammus' ganks are overrated. I'm much more afraid of Amumus from behind, Maokais, Lee Sins, and Nocturnes. Fuck Nocturne.

Even if you do catch someone with your Q, you can only run into them unless you want to burn flash. Half the time a minion will block you. The other half, if you're coming from behind they'll just flash over you. Then what? You have a 1 second stun unless you've decided to max E instead(lol gl clearing). Many junglers can do better than that.

I think of Rammus as a late game champion.
He has to max one of his abilities. Without W he can't tank mid game fights or dive towers. Without E his ganks are average and his clear speed shit. What if you can't gank? Without Q he has no burst to support ganks. He also has mana problems compared to some new junglers (Lol I'm kha'zix my Q costs 25 mana).

I guess if you max E his ganks would be quite scary. I'll try it out soon.

You have always ever since the beginning of S2 when rammus was banned everygame max'd E first. Same principle on Fiddle, you max your fear first for ganks. His ganks are op because wards don't mean anything when he's moving at 700ms at you right through the ward and if he lands powerball on anyone thats a guaranteed 4sec CC with no effort. Not to mention if they are a melee character you can actually run backwards and pull them farther into your team while they are dying.

Have to agree Rammus is a lategame beast and thats where he really shines, diving towers with 500armor and taunting people for 3sec picking people off.

IIRC Smash actually advocated putting levels in Q for more burst damage in your ganks with jungle rammus during his height. It wasn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

Yeah I was around when Rammus was at his height... not everyone advocated max E on Rammus, and most people advocated max W on Fiddle. He was rarely played at pro level and always banned at my level.

Everyone was still of the opinion that you needed points in W to actually clear as Fiddle. Some got 3 points in W before maxing Q, others got 4 so they could take dragon by themselves more easily.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

January 08 2013 02:42 GMT

#6584

Say what you want about how st.v sucks now, but damn he's my hero for trying udyr back in jungle. Yes!

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

January 08 2013 02:44 GMT

#6585

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/22798-unoffical-pbe-patch-notes-new-champion-thresh

They have his abilities. From the looks of it he's Lee Sin's and Blitzcrank's baby. Summary:

Q places a lantern which shields nearby allies who can click the lantern to return to Thresh.
W is Blitz hook active + a passive buff charged by dying enemies and time that increases the damage of one auto attack. Oh, and if you trigger it again you'll pull yourself to the target instead of pulling the target.
E is bizarre. From the sound of it it's a line AoE that goes behind him and in front of him, depending on where you cast it you can throw all enemies backward or forward.
R basically traps enemies around Thresh in walls that damage/slow enemies that walk through them. Walls break when they're triggered and after the first wall the others do half damage/ half slow duration.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

January 08 2013 02:46 GMT

#6586

Thresh could be a pretty ridiculous support. 3 CC's(granted 2 are skillshots), and a skill that helps save your AD. I'd imagine if you want to allin post 6, land a grab->lantern+ult->sweep to CC for a bit and then lantern to help your AD chase. His Q gives him good trading and harass in lane as well.

Idk how the E works though, I'd need to see it.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 08 2013 02:48 GMT

#6587

that sounds like their first "troll potential" champ in a while. My guess is that he comes out very weak/balanced like trundle and nobody plays him after a couple laughs.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

January 08 2013 02:50 GMT

#6588

hmm Last Whisper got nerfed. I don't think LW is even that good... It's extremely cost effective, but I'm pretty sure 2nd pd is more slot effective.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

January 08 2013 02:52 GMT

#6589

On January 08 2013 11:39 xDaunt wrote:
If anything, Rammus has a far easier time hitting the midgame now with the golem spirit item. Hell, once he has it, he can tower dive almost at will and start doing all sorts of shenanigans. Don't bother with either wriggles or sunfire. Rammus doesn't need them. Just prioritize W early, getting a couple levels of E at levels 4 and 5/7.

With regards to ganks, wtf more can you possibly want than powerball (speed boost + slow) and a taunt? Rammus is stupidly easy to gank with compared to most junglers.

WQWEEREEE??. You won't have a taunt to gank until level 4 which is the same weakness WW has. I could see it be ok.

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

January 08 2013 02:52 GMT

#6590

Also guys, Thresh is currently on PBE. If you have a PBE account I'd suggest that you take a look at him now before the server gets clogged and Riot implements minimum # of players in custom matches.

thenexusp

United States3721 Posts

January 08 2013 02:54 GMT

#6591

His lore is all like "I love torturing people" and one of his abilities is pure team-buff/utility

Dusty

United States3359 Posts

January 08 2013 02:54 GMT

#6592

On January 08 2013 11:50 wei2coolman wrote:
hmm Last Whisper got nerfed. I don't think LW is even that good... It's extremely cost effective, but I'm pretty sure 2nd pd is more slot effective.

Depends, Need that arpen on someone like Graves or Ez but maaaaybe not on someone like Vayne

OutlaW-

Czech Republic5053 Posts

January 08 2013 02:54 GMT

#6593

preview is out

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 08 2013 02:56 GMT

#6594

loll these casters on the fear/curse game.

NICE CRIT BY COP THURR.

as if he planned it or something

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

January 08 2013 02:58 GMT

#6595

On January 08 2013 11:52 obesechicken13 wrote:

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WQWEEREEE??. You won't have a taunt to gank until level 4 which is the same weakness WW has. I could see it be ok.

I do WQWE, W/E, R, E/W, then R>W>E>Q the rest of the way. I take W or E at level 5 depending upon ganking opportunities. If there's lots to gank, I take E. Otherwise, W. You really don't need more than two levels of E to gank effectively because your allies in the lane should be able to easily land their own CC once you go in.

EDIT: And with regards to not being able to gank earlier than level 4, well that's just part of the package with Rammus.

OutlaW-

Czech Republic5053 Posts

January 08 2013 02:58 GMT

#6596

Didn't we talk about this already? lel
Casters in league make shitty jokes then continue with them for another 30 seconds even when they were never funny, say stuff that everybody with eyes can clearly see is happening and compare the gold difference.
If only they understood the game and discussed possibilities, their thoughts on how the game will play out and stuff like that instead.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

January 08 2013 03:00 GMT

#6597

I just met a guy who doesn't even own tristana. wtfffff?

Dusty

United States3359 Posts

January 08 2013 03:01 GMT

#6598

Thresh gains no Armor or MR per level, and gets AP for free from his passive. Interesting...

Inschato

Canada1349 Posts

January 08 2013 03:04 GMT

#6599

On January 08 2013 12:01 Dusty wrote:
Thresh gains no Armor or MR per level, and gets AP for free from his passive. Interesting...

I really wonder if he's actually not going to gain any armor per level. That would make him the only champion to be that way. Currently even Heimerdinger has 61 armor at level 18 (the lowest) so 18 armor at level 18 would blow that out of the water. On the other hand his passive says he gains armor and magic resist from enemies slain around him, and that might be permanent like Garen's W used to be.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 08 2013 03:06 GMT

#6600

either way he looks clunky as hell just from that preview. He will need a tune up if they are planning to release him like that.

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