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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 08 2013 08:48 Dusty wrote:
Why don't people play Rammus? He seems like a fine champ.
Oh dude you have NO idea, he is the next best thing after Amumu. His clear speed is comparable to anyone who can't jump over walls and even against those his clear speed isn't that bad. While his initiation is worse than you'd initially think, you will have problems finding a champion better suited for raping assasins. Riven, Katarina, Kha'Zix all get absolutely destroyed by 3 second hard CC and a knockup to boot. Rammus also deals surprising amount of dmg in the midgame thanks to his ult and armor scaling.
His ganks are also just pure ridiculousness, especially in the middle lane if your partner has a CC of his own, like Ryze/TF/Ahri. They are so hard to escape and having strong middle lane ganks is like the most important thing for a jungler.
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You're vastly overstating him. He's not bad, though. He's still a comparably slow clearer and takes a lot of damage from the jungle, which makes it harder to thread in ganks. His taunt and ganks is still really good, but you'll generally lose any early countergank pretty hard. His level 1 is still abysmal and he can get counterjungled very easily during the first two clears.
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On January 08 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:05 xes wrote:On January 08 2013 05:01 Sufficiency wrote:On January 08 2013 04:57 barbsq wrote:On January 08 2013 04:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Twitch's laning phase is so bad =\ no it's not If your definition of "not bad" is "somewhat better than Vayne", then I agree with you. Have you even played Twitch since the remake? I never played him before the remake. I heard it was pretty bad.
There was a time prior to that when Twitch was near autowin. My brother mained him on release and Twitch/Kayle was simply unstoppable. He was like 100-25 duoing with a guy playing Kayle.
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On January 08 2013 09:08 Sufficiency wrote:
Rammus only has a single target CC that is melee range and his Q can be blocked.
His Taunt lasts for like 3 days though. But It's really the nerfs that hurt him the most imo.
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On January 08 2013 08:05 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:42 Amarok wrote:On January 08 2013 06:45 obesechicken13 wrote:On January 08 2013 05:59 Amarok wrote:
Zzzz more Tirbunal talk....
On Twitch I really think he's not played much due to community bias stemming from how terrible he was for the longest time, and the remake gutting his derpy roaming. He's actually a very well rounded adc with decent stats, a fantastic positioning tool and awesome teamfight DPS that scales very well as the game goes on. He has "new champ" mana costs, decent poke in lane which allows him to play safe when necessary. He's not very mobile but is far better than Ashe or Varus at escaping ganks due to his stealth. The nerf to and subsequent underuse of Oracles really helps him with initial positioning in a teamfight. Also when you use Runaan's and Twitch ult you can hit the same target twice. Once with a primary bolt and once with a secondary. Is dumb. + Show Spoiler + I wasn't a fan of Runan's when I tried it (a recurring theme with that item). Way too small of an arc, though I guess that would be less of a problem in his ult. Just felt that the 3 crits from SotD give you more punch. Coming out of stealth with ult and hitting SotD after the first shot is huge burst not to mention picking off badly positioned players early in a fight at all stages of the game. I didn't know it was an arc. I know it feels that way but I thought it was a 300 radius around the target. I agree that's still puny but it's the same size as hydra.
Oh no, I meant raidius. No idea why I said arc.
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On January 08 2013 09:22 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 08:48 Dusty wrote:
Why don't people play Rammus? He seems like a fine champ. Oh dude you have NO idea, he is the next best thing after Amumu. His clear speed is comparable to anyone who can't jump over walls and even against those his clear speed isn't that bad. While his initiation is worse than you'd initially think, you will have problems finding a champion better suited for raping assasins. Riven, Katarina, Kha'Zix all get absolutely destroyed by 3 second hard CC and a knockup to boot. Rammus also deals surprising amount of dmg in the midgame thanks to his ult and armor scaling. His ganks are also just pure ridiculousness, especially in the middle lane if your partner has a CC of his own, like Ryze/TF/Ahri. They are so hard to escape and having strong middle lane ganks is like the most important thing for a jungler.
I agree with this. Sure, Rammus isn't great in jungle duels, but he can fuck a lane over with his ganks like few other champs. Think you're safe under a tower? Not with Rammus around! While he is basically limited to single-target CC for the late game, he can really take it to any AD assassin or AD carry and kill them basically singlehandedly. Also, don't forget about his speed which gives him great map presence during the laning phase. I think Rammus is a lot better than people give him credit for. Maybe top players can really exploit his weaknesses, but he can still pubstomp pretty hard at lower ELOs.
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I always thought Rammus support would be a great counter to certain bot lane matchups. Taunt into knockup would be a great counter to Taric or Leona initiation, and the armor reduction and damage you get by just counterbuilding the lane is the gravy. Synergises well with support items too (particularly Shurelias).
Never had the stones to try it though.
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So who do you use to jungle if you have weak lanes? What is a weak lane, Karthus against Kat?
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On January 08 2013 10:05 Pooshlmer wrote:
So who do you use to jungle if you have weak lanes? What is a weak lane, Karthus against Kat?
A strong jungler with good map presence. Lee, mundo, mao, noc, olaf.
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On January 08 2013 10:06 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:05 Pooshlmer wrote:
So who do you use to jungle if you have weak lanes? What is a weak lane, Karthus against Kat? A strong jungler with good map presence. Lee, mundo, mao, noc, olaf.
iunno about mundo/mao. Their first clears are quite weak and a strong opposing jungler can really abuse that. Mundo/Mao are better with lanes that have strong early levels and can give you the space to get to lvls 5+
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Man, I'm jumping on the Cop banwagon, he's been playing really well in s3. I don't think I've really seen him lose lane (or when he does, it's not a huge lost), he's always doing what he needs to do. He's finally expanded his champ pool outside of Corki. He finally plays Ashe, Kog, and Ez.
top 3 ADC in NA imo.
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On January 08 2013 10:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Man, I'm jumping on the Cop banwagon, he's been playing really well in s3. I don't think I've really seen him lose lane (or when he does, it's not a huge lost), he's always doing what he needs to do. He's finally expanded his champ pool outside of Corki. He finally plays Ashe, Kog, and Ez.
top 3 ADC in NA imo.
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I still think he has the positioning of a 1500 player. Due to this he over-positions and keeps on not attacking enough in teamfights (I notice this most teamfights). I'll agree that this is partly caused because his team doesn't peel for him at all.
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St.V doesn't peel for ADC at all, he always goes balls deep. Voyboy usually plays damage heavy carries, so he doesn't really peel either. So more often than not Cop is usually on his own.
On January 08 2013 10:52 SilverStar wrote:
So much for the people saying that the lol community is friends towards the dota community lol Curse will probably pickup a dota 2 team and the comments on their facebook page are just disgusting.
I'm personally excited to see what team they pick up. I wonder if their team will get a gaming house like the LoL one.
also holy fuckkkkkk. VOYBOY BEST ZHONYA EVER. Damn, that was sickkkkk play from voyboy.
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So much for the people saying that the lol community is friends towards the dota community lol Curse will probably pickup a dota 2 team and the comments on their facebook page are just disgusting.
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Why is Zed so underused? Jungle Zed is deadly.
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On January 08 2013 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:St.V doesn't peel for ADC at all, he always goes balls deep. Voyboy usually plays damage heavy carries, so he doesn't really peel either. So more often than not Cop is usually on his own. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:52 SilverStar wrote:
So much for the people saying that the lol community is friends towards the dota community lol Curse will probably pickup a dota 2 team and the comments on their facebook page are just disgusting. I'm personally excited to see what team they pick up. I wonder if their team will get a gaming house like the LoL one.
Cop always stays alive and poops on kids too
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Back on twitch - he doesn't deal with Graves particularly well I found, that burst hurts, especially if Graves has some sort of stunning support (taric/leona + graves is a nightmare lane for twitch) Other than that, I found that he plays well in lane with some aggression and you can achieve some "surprising" kills where people completely underestimate your e dmg and passive dot/ignite dmg as they retreat. Twitch + Lulu/Nami would have to be my favourite twitch lanes, so fun.
As for Rammus - the nerf on his base stats was what really cut his legs out from under him. He was one of my favourite junglers, and its still good, it's just he has some of the more extreme ends of the spectrum - such glaring weaknesses in counterjungling to be exploited but he still has amazing ganks... So it's a trade-off. For solo Q, I've always found it better to play a well rounded champion.
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Wtf how did Saint die there (Crs pushing mid tower) lol. Now Voyboy/Elementz goes down lol
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why do people still use hyper carry, isnt that a dota term for someone who can 1v5 lol. i dont think anyone in league can 1v5, unless they're like 100-0 at 5 mins or something
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