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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 05 2013 22:21 GMT
#5981
On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote:
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime


What happened?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 05 2013 22:23 GMT
#5982
On January 06 2013 07:20 SoulSever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On January 06 2013 07:02 SoulSever wrote:
"Tried giving malady a try on Twisted Fate and I'm really liking it. My core winds up being malady, twin shadows, zhonya's, sheen and then whatever I want, either deathcap, or nashor's. I feel like my dps in a teamfight isn't solely dependant on cooldowns and I'm really liking twin shadows for ult ganks. anyone else experimented with TF builds?"

I really hate to repost this but everytime I post (not very often) I always get bottom of page and never get very many answers. Would love if Monte or Yango could drop some knowledge bombs on me please

Two things come to mind.

1) I suspect you'd open up with your initial salve of spell damage before autoattacking in a teamfight. That mean you open up with burst damage but then you have an item that encouraged prolonged autoattacks. You're not going to get the benefit of MRes reduction until the second round of burst damage (which isn't guaranteed).

2) Your autoattack range is 525 which is even lower than Vayne, and you're amazingly squishy. You have to put yourself in a lot of danger to take advantage of Malady while waiting for your CDs, and will probably die if the other team focuses you. You don't have lifesteal like AD Carries to stay alive longer either.


I'm trying to think of a way to add some CDR into my TF builds and nothing seems to flow smoothly

DFG perhaps? Blue Buff + Blue Pot is 30% CDR so you don't need a massive amount more to reach 40%.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 05 2013 22:23 GMT
#5983
I'm so sick of all the GP rushing avarice blade just because they think it makes Parrrley better. Nope, since it works with every last hit. But they get trashed in lane and are useless since they don't even change it into something useful later.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 22:41:36
January 05 2013 22:25 GMT
#5984
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it more AP.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 22:27:12
January 05 2013 22:25 GMT
#5985
Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh.

On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna.
wat
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
January 05 2013 22:26 GMT
#5986
On January 06 2013 06:57 TheYango wrote:
And not enough jungles and tops are getting Locket.


mods pls rename me to "Yango's Aura Hardon"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 05 2013 22:30 GMT
#5987
On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote:
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime


What happened?

Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 05 2013 22:32 GMT
#5988
On January 06 2013 07:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote:
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime


What happened?

Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's


He is just a really bad lee sin player.How has curse not noticed is beyond me lol.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 22:33:04
January 05 2013 22:32 GMT
#5989
On January 06 2013 07:20 SoulSever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote:
On January 06 2013 07:02 SoulSever wrote:
"Tried giving malady a try on Twisted Fate and I'm really liking it. My core winds up being malady, twin shadows, zhonya's, sheen and then whatever I want, either deathcap, or nashor's. I feel like my dps in a teamfight isn't solely dependant on cooldowns and I'm really liking twin shadows for ult ganks. anyone else experimented with TF builds?"

I really hate to repost this but everytime I post (not very often) I always get bottom of page and never get very many answers. Would love if Monte or Yango could drop some knowledge bombs on me please

Two things come to mind.

1) I suspect you'd open up with your initial salve of spell damage before autoattacking in a teamfight. That mean you open up with burst damage but then you have an item that encouraged prolonged autoattacks. You're not going to get the benefit of MRes reduction until the second round of burst damage (which isn't guaranteed).

2) Your autoattack range is 525 which is even lower than Vayne, and you're amazingly squishy. You have to put yourself in a lot of danger to take advantage of Malady while waiting for your CDs, and will probably die if the other team focuses you. You don't have lifesteal like AD Carries to stay alive longer either.


I'm trying to think of a way to add some CDR into my TF builds and nothing seems to flow smoothly


DFG. Rush it first in place of Dcap and you get 15%, 15% from TF's E and the last 10% from elixirs.

I usually go DFG -> sorcs -> dcap/lich depending on if I need the movespeed and build from there.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#5990
lol saint on Lee is just hilar
Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#5991
On January 06 2013 07:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote:
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime


What happened?

Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's

I think he just needs to stop playing Lee, never been impressed with his Lee play. I think he's alright when he plays other champs, past his prime in comparison to his CLG days (I think other players got better rather than him getting much worse) but still an alright pro jungler.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 05 2013 22:33 GMT
#5992
On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote:
Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna.

That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better.
What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 05 2013 22:39 GMT
#5993
On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


He just wants people to build the item named after him instead. SHHHHHHHH~~~~
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 05 2013 22:39 GMT
#5994
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote:
Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh.

On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna.

That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better.
What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like.


Honestly dfg is good for almost every ap atm.Like the only popular ap that it isn't as good on is orianna(and that is early later it's still a pretty good item).And with how many bruisers mid there are you can actually burst them really easily if you are fast enough.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
January 05 2013 22:40 GMT
#5995
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote:
Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh.

On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna.

That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better.
What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like.


I've always been under the impression that they never wanted CDR to be easily available to damage dealers and instead have it be a stat to allow champions that bring utility to increase their utility.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 05 2013 22:41 GMT
#5996
DFG's active works so poorly on TF though.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 05 2013 22:43 GMT
#5997
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote:
Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh.

On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP.


WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna.

That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better.
What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like.


With the change to DFG I think it's pretty good on every single AP mage in the game. Doesn't do current HP, does max HP. You just won't benefit from the increased magic damage but 15% of a targets max health as an active is always nice. The fact that it gives 100 AP and 15% CDR means you'll probably buy it eventually on every mage.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 05 2013 22:44 GMT
#5998
On January 06 2013 07:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol saint on Lee is just hilar
Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD

WCG 2012 or whatever it was? When he singlehandedly won the tournament with LS?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 05 2013 22:47 GMT
#5999
On January 06 2013 07:44 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 07:33 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol saint on Lee is just hilar
Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD

WCG 2012 or whatever it was? When he singlehandedly won the tournament with LS?

The competition back then was so much easier, I think most people agree that SV declined while everyone else got better in this new season.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 05 2013 22:49 GMT
#6000
But at the same time they are very definite about the fact that most AP casters also bring utility (Morello insisted on this in one or two posts of that thread). Hell, mids are chosen for their utility rather than damage, even (unless they're Karthus). I wouldn't mind CDR being on less AP-heavy items (I like Grail for that) as long as it's available. Champs like Syndra are require to build it anyway.

Regarding DFG, I build it pretty often on Syndra (Orianna's plain better except for Syndra's E wrecking gapclosers, esp. during ganks, and her ability to 100-0 somebody so I may as well use it) and on Swain when farm and flow allows (good for killing somebody, deathcap better for pure damage, zhonya for survivability... NLR would be such a good item path on him if it wasn't too expensive to be built early when behind).
I don't build it on Viktor, Orianna, etc. because they are AoE in nature and the active is better to snipe someone who steps in range with a spell rotation, nor on Morgana since it'd be best used if you can cast Q+W on a key target during your ult, which isn't the easiest thing to do against competent teams.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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