On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote:
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime
Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime
What happened?
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime What happened? | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:20 SoulSever wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote: On January 06 2013 07:02 SoulSever wrote: "Tried giving malady a try on Twisted Fate and I'm really liking it. My core winds up being malady, twin shadows, zhonya's, sheen and then whatever I want, either deathcap, or nashor's. I feel like my dps in a teamfight isn't solely dependant on cooldowns and I'm really liking twin shadows for ult ganks. anyone else experimented with TF builds?" I really hate to repost this but everytime I post (not very often) I always get bottom of page and never get very many answers. Would love if Monte or Yango could drop some knowledge bombs on me please Two things come to mind. 1) I suspect you'd open up with your initial salve of spell damage before autoattacking in a teamfight. That mean you open up with burst damage but then you have an item that encouraged prolonged autoattacks. You're not going to get the benefit of MRes reduction until the second round of burst damage (which isn't guaranteed). 2) Your autoattack range is 525 which is even lower than Vayne, and you're amazingly squishy. You have to put yourself in a lot of danger to take advantage of Malady while waiting for your CDs, and will probably die if the other team focuses you. You don't have lifesteal like AD Carries to stay alive longer either. I'm trying to think of a way to add some CDR into my TF builds and nothing seems to flow smoothly DFG perhaps? Blue Buff + Blue Pot is 30% CDR so you don't need a massive amount more to reach 40%. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna. | ||
dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On January 06 2013 06:57 TheYango wrote: And not enough jungles and tops are getting Locket. mods pls rename me to "Yango's Aura Hardon" | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime What happened? Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's | ||
nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:30 MooMooMugi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote: On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime What happened? Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's He is just a really bad lee sin player.How has curse not noticed is beyond me lol. | ||
Lmui
Canada6210 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:20 SoulSever wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:07 MoonBear wrote: On January 06 2013 07:02 SoulSever wrote: "Tried giving malady a try on Twisted Fate and I'm really liking it. My core winds up being malady, twin shadows, zhonya's, sheen and then whatever I want, either deathcap, or nashor's. I feel like my dps in a teamfight isn't solely dependant on cooldowns and I'm really liking twin shadows for ult ganks. anyone else experimented with TF builds?" I really hate to repost this but everytime I post (not very often) I always get bottom of page and never get very many answers. Would love if Monte or Yango could drop some knowledge bombs on me please Two things come to mind. 1) I suspect you'd open up with your initial salve of spell damage before autoattacking in a teamfight. That mean you open up with burst damage but then you have an item that encouraged prolonged autoattacks. You're not going to get the benefit of MRes reduction until the second round of burst damage (which isn't guaranteed). 2) Your autoattack range is 525 which is even lower than Vayne, and you're amazingly squishy. You have to put yourself in a lot of danger to take advantage of Malady while waiting for your CDs, and will probably die if the other team focuses you. You don't have lifesteal like AD Carries to stay alive longer either. I'm trying to think of a way to add some CDR into my TF builds and nothing seems to flow smoothly DFG. Rush it first in place of Dcap and you get 15%, 15% from TF's E and the last 10% from elixirs. I usually go DFG -> sorcs -> dcap/lich depending on if I need the movespeed and build from there. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:30 MooMooMugi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:21 NeoIllusions wrote: On January 06 2013 07:20 MooMooMugi wrote: Saintvicious makes me facepalm so much, way past his prime What happened? Just really bad Lee Sin play in Crs vs. GGU atm, focuses tank ChoGath, weird pathing, missing lots of Q's I think he just needs to stop playing Lee, never been impressed with his Lee play. I think he's alright when he plays other champs, past his prime in comparison to his CLG days (I think other players got better rather than him getting much worse) but still an alright pro jungler. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote: Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh. Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna. That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better. What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. He just wants people to build the item named after him instead. SHHHHHHHH~~~~ | ||
nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote: Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh. On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna. That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better. What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like. Honestly dfg is good for almost every ap atm.Like the only popular ap that it isn't as good on is orianna(and that is early later it's still a pretty good item).And with how many bruisers mid there are you can actually burst them really easily if you are fast enough. | ||
Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote: Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh. On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna. That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better. What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like. I've always been under the impression that they never wanted CDR to be easily available to damage dealers and instead have it be a stat to allow champions that bring utility to increase their utility. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:33 Alaric wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:25 EquilasH wrote: Twin Shadows is soooo good on TF, it's like it's made specifically for that champion tbh. On January 06 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote: Athene's CDR gonna be nerfed according to Morello. That or the MR, because he doesn't want to give it morre AP. WHAT?? Is Athene's getting nerfed again? After its last nerfs+the introduction of cheap Tear I really only see people getting it on Lux and sometimes Ahri and Orianna. That or I read it badly. It was in the thread linked for the AD casters nerfs, the idea was that AP as a stat isn't the end-all thing, and putting more AP into the items isn't the only change that would make AP casters better. What's annoying me right now is the lack of real way of reaching 40% cdr on an AP caster without bleu buff. Sure, you could buy locket or things like that, but from real AP casters items? Morello, CDR boots, DFG, Grail. Grail doesn't suit everyone, nor does DFG, so you're basically forced to go 9-0-21 and chug blue pots, or build cdr boots/Morello, which I don't like. With the change to DFG I think it's pretty good on every single AP mage in the game. Doesn't do current HP, does max HP. You just won't benefit from the increased magic damage but 15% of a targets max health as an active is always nice. The fact that it gives 100 AP and 15% CDR means you'll probably buy it eventually on every mage. | ||
Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:33 NeoIllusions wrote: lol saint on Lee is just hilar Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD WCG 2012 or whatever it was? When he singlehandedly won the tournament with LS? | ||
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On January 06 2013 07:44 Two_DoWn wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:33 NeoIllusions wrote: lol saint on Lee is just hilar Some players can't play certain champs, saint and Lee is such a pairing. XD WCG 2012 or whatever it was? When he singlehandedly won the tournament with LS? The competition back then was so much easier, I think most people agree that SV declined while everyone else got better in this new season. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
Regarding DFG, I build it pretty often on Syndra (Orianna's plain better except for Syndra's E wrecking gapclosers, esp. during ganks, and her ability to 100-0 somebody so I may as well use it) and on Swain when farm and flow allows (good for killing somebody, deathcap better for pure damage, zhonya for survivability... NLR would be such a good item path on him if it wasn't too expensive to be built early when behind). I don't build it on Viktor, Orianna, etc. because they are AoE in nature and the active is better to snipe someone who steps in range with a spell rotation, nor on Morgana since it'd be best used if you can cast Q+W on a key target during your ult, which isn't the easiest thing to do against competent teams. | ||
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