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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 28 2012 23:25 GMT
#4841
On November 29 2012 08:14 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 08:13 EquilasH wrote:
None of the guys that I usually watch stream are online at the moment, so I decided to check out Wings since you guys gave him so much praise... But damn he's whining so much.
Is this a thing he does a lot or is he just having a bad day or w/e?

If he lose lane it's because he got camped h4h4h4h4h4h4.

Well he plays a lot more recklessly in solo queue, so he gets caught by stupid ganks all the time. I'm surprised how well he's doing despite all the Shaco ganks though, 6-5. elise 2stronk.
liftlift > tsm
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
November 28 2012 23:27 GMT
#4842
I guess I just caught him at a bad time. Also the "explaining everything you do" thing doesn't really cater to me anyways.
wat
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 23:38:50
November 28 2012 23:29 GMT
#4843
On November 29 2012 08:27 EquilasH wrote:
I guess I just caught him at a bad time. Also the "explaining everything you do" thing doesn't really cater to me anyways.

I like it when he plays Lee Sin and Riven, that's when he goes full HAM, and that shit is hilarious.
On November 29 2012 08:37 arb wrote:
that exploding spider leap trick is amazing.

and that's why he gets viewers, fuckign mind bombs everywhere.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 28 2012 23:33 GMT
#4844
The problem with healing in LoL is how there's nothing to prevent any of them being abusable in the long-term sustain case. The low mana cost/CD of every spell in LoL means that you're forced to reign in their combat power because it's awkward by design to make their mana costs/CDs high enough to be prohibitive for sustain.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 28 2012 23:37 GMT
#4845
that exploding spider leap trick is amazing.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 28 2012 23:40 GMT
#4846
Tanky AP Elise is so strong wow
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#4847
On November 29 2012 08:37 arb wrote:
that exploding spider leap trick is amazing.


is that the one where if you cast exploding spider then R and Q it leaps onto them?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 23:43 GMT
#4848
On November 29 2012 08:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 08:14 HazMat wrote:
On November 29 2012 08:13 EquilasH wrote:
None of the guys that I usually watch stream are online at the moment, so I decided to check out Wings since you guys gave him so much praise... But damn he's whining so much.
Is this a thing he does a lot or is he just having a bad day or w/e?

If he lose lane it's because he got camped h4h4h4h4h4h4.

Well he plays a lot more recklessly in solo queue, so he gets caught by stupid ganks all the time. I'm surprised how well he's doing despite all the Shaco ganks though, 6-5. elise 2stronk.

He has said on multiple occasions that he doesn't play soloq with the same mindset he does when he plays real games. Pushes tower without wards and the like, he just tries to make plays and gain advantages on the incompetence of his opponents and it usually works out in his favor. And for someone who isn't on a team at the moment it's not like it ruins his play style when it matters.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 23:49:11
November 28 2012 23:48 GMT
#4849
Actually, he only plays soloq now. So..
Just gotta ignore that whine
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
November 28 2012 23:49 GMT
#4850
wings is ok, he whines about getting camped so much it turns me off though. like getting ganked 2 times = camped.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 28 2012 23:57 GMT
#4851
On November 29 2012 08:48 OutlaW- wrote:
Actually, he only plays soloq now. So..
Just gotta ignore that whine

Still subs from time to time. Would get back into the scene if a top team picked him up, but he makes bank streaming so I can't fault him too much.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 29 2012 00:00 GMT
#4852
I am pretty sure for wodx, there is no such word as "gank". There is only "camp".
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
November 29 2012 00:04 GMT
#4853
On November 29 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:
The problem with healing in LoL is how there's nothing to prevent any of them being abusable in the long-term sustain case. The low mana cost/CD of every spell in LoL means that you're forced to reign in their combat power because it's awkward by design to make their mana costs/CDs high enough to be prohibitive for sustain.


There's nothing inherently awkward, it's just Riot's refusal to deviate from their "avoiding anti-fun" philosophy.
TranslatorBaa!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 00:41:52
November 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#4854
On November 29 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:
The problem with healing in LoL is how there's nothing to prevent any of them being abusable in the long-term sustain case. The low mana cost/CD of every spell in LoL means that you're forced to reign in their combat power because it's awkward by design to make their mana costs/CDs high enough to be prohibitive for sustain.

I could see a heal based off the target's missing hp (like karma, but who plays her?) as potentially good -- it'd heal a lot in clutch situations but suck at topping off the top half of a health bar. Incidentally, the new Crucible item heals based off % missing hp but I feel it's going to be used more for the cleanse than for the heal.

Or taken to the extreme: "If the ally has less than 30% hp, restores targeted ally to 30% of their hp". No idea how horribly broken that could be though.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
November 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#4855
On November 29 2012 08:22 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 08:17 EquilasH wrote:
Well he kinda did get camped, and I don't mind him tilting a little bit (which was also the case), but he just kept whining and whining.. Why do people watch this?

Well he's one of the best NA toplanes, stream is insane quality and he explains a lot which people love. Yeah he can get really annoying and he isn't the right stream for me but I can definitely see why he's so largely viewed.

Now BestRivenNA.... therein lies a mistery.

Higho elo 14 year old that had an AMA on the front page of reddit is quite the gaper delay.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#4856
On November 29 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:
The problem with healing in LoL is how there's nothing to prevent any of them being abusable in the long-term sustain case. The low mana cost/CD of every spell in LoL means that you're forced to reign in their combat power because it's awkward by design to make their mana costs/CDs high enough to be prohibitive for sustain.


I don't get this statement, because Heal CD's and costs are almost always greater than the CDs and costs of non-heals. Soraka W Spam Loses to Annie Q spam.Heals are objectively bad combat spells, but when engagements are small and interspersed they are very good. Essentially they are good out of combat spells.

On November 29 2012 09:41 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:
The problem with healing in LoL is how there's nothing to prevent any of them being abusable in the long-term sustain case. The low mana cost/CD of every spell in LoL means that you're forced to reign in their combat power because it's awkward by design to make their mana costs/CDs high enough to be prohibitive for sustain.

I could see a heal based off the target's missing hp (like karma, but who plays her?) as potentially good -- it'd heal a lot in clutch situations but suck at topping off the top half of a health bar. Incidentally, the new Crucible item heals based off % missing hp but I feel it's going to be used more for the cleanse than for the heal.

Or taken to the extreme: "If the ally has less than 30% hp, restores targeted ally to 30% of their hp". No idea how horribly broken that could be though.


Those kinds of heals are too hard to balance. Its kinda like the old cheat death.
Freeeeeeedom
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 01:56:40
November 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#4857
On November 29 2012 05:25 Seuss wrote:
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On November 29 2012 04:10 TSBspartacus wrote:
Been playing a bit of Xerath and I think I might buy him once the free week is over.
Does anyone know why he doesn't get picked at all? He seems like a really good champion with his passive armour giving him some nice defense, a long range stun when you get the combo right and also a long range splash nuke. And his Q can clear entire waves later into the game.

I build Athenes, Defensive boots, Void Staff, Rabadons mid and no-one seems quite sure what to do with him. He does have a weak pre-lvl3 since you don't get stun for a while, but after that it is reasonably easy to grab a decent amount of kills. End game you can just long range siege or harass all day, and they can't do anything about it without diving you in the midst of your team.


Generally speaking anything Xerath can do other champions can do better. Ziggs serves a very similar role, but has better wave clear, a stronger laning phase, roughly equal AoE, an actual escape, and zone control.

Xerath may become popular in Season 3 due to the changes to penetration mechanics. Stacking MPen on Xerath will cause him to deal true damage to any enemy with less than 140 MR. Even a Bruiser with MR/Level Glyphs, Merc's, and Spirit Visage will have an effective MR of 6. It's a ridiculous enough abuse case that it might cause him to reach FotM status.

But then apparently he's boring as hell to play, so I actually expect it will take a buff to make him popular (at which point he'll get nerfed to the ground for being stupidly strong).

The handful of games I've played with Xerath so far he seems to have a lot of trouble with anyone's who really good at isolating and blowing up a single person, especially because he has to stand completely still to do his full damage

I can't really figure out what advantage he would have over other long range mages like orianna and lux.
aaaaa
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#4858
Look up his ult damage. You'll know where Lux and Ori can't beat him. Put him with Diana and it's penta material if you're fed enough.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#4859
On November 29 2012 10:59 Alaric wrote:
Look up his ult damage. You'll know where Lux and Ori can't beat him. Put him with Diana and it's penta material if you're fed enough.

Yeah but lux's laugh is ten times better
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 29 2012 02:09 GMT
#4860
On November 29 2012 11:02 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 10:59 Alaric wrote:
Look up his ult damage. You'll know where Lux and Ori can't beat him. Put him with Diana and it's penta material if you're fed enough.

Yeah but lux's laugh is ten times better

Xerath's joke is pretty legit though.
It's your boy Guzma!
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