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Craton
United States17294 Posts
WotA is useful in general because even your non-mages get some heal out of it. Starks is quite nice because your AD is your biggest threat and it adds to their damage + makes them a touch safer. Shurelya's + Aegis are the best two items for all situations. Soul Shroud is a niche item for poke comps that can make use of aura CDR. Locket is sort of a "well shit got nothing else worth getting." It helps a touch against AoE comps. It's not bad but there are just better choices in general. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On the other hand it looks like diana snowballs around akali levels now. She's still pretty strong in lane but not the easy 100-0 champ she was before. I'll have to see her a few more times to be sure but she's close to being alright. She does have a better laning phase mid than akali IMO so she might still need some tweaks. Graves, played against him. His early laning is exactly the same, there's no real difference but you can feel the sustained damage deterioration later. He'll still truck people with Q+R but after that, his sustained damage doesn't stand up to ezreal/corki any more. Morde It's going to be weird adjusting to this. His E range feels like it got longer in the game I played against morde, I don't know if it's a product of the model size change but it doesn't quite feel as short as it used to. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 02 2012 18:06 zulu_nation8 wrote: its really like not very often you can get anything past shurelia and aegis as support, if you're debating about support items at lower elo then you 100% should've spent the money on wards and oracles instead. Every game I played where I had gold to buy other items after aegis/shurelia I've gotten mejas and dfg instead because it doesnt matter at that point. I don't like placing the burden of Aegis on supports in most cases. It's really hard for them to complete in time for the mid-game if they aren't getting assists or dragons. You practically have to rush it straight after Philo in order to be sure, and then you don't have Shurelya's or CDR. It's generally a much better item for your jungler or, if you aren't worried about having it in the center of action before the mid-game, your top lane. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
for double AP I will try WotA for the next games. Whats the purpose for two aegis? does the aura stack? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:51 Chexx wrote: Normally I go hp/manareg gp10 -> boots -> aegis -> kindlegem -> zeke (if 2 ad) for double AP I will try WotA for the next games. Whats the purpose for two aegis? does the aura stack? Stacks for the carriers. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On September 02 2012 18:34 Seuss wrote: I don't like placing the burden of Aegis on supports in most cases. It's really hard for them to complete in time for the mid-game if they aren't getting assists or dragons. You practically have to rush it straight after Philo in order to be sure, and then you don't have Shurelya's or CDR. It's generally a much better item for your jungler or, if you aren't worried about having it in the center of action before the mid-game, your top lane. Aegis on melee supports seem like the way to go, because they need resists if they don't wanna get blown up. For ranged supports it seems more of a personal preference. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Lunek
Poland164 Posts
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
On September 02 2012 22:15 samthesaluki wrote: makes sense i guess but why would it outnumber surely if ur tanking creeps your minions get free shots on theres? Minion aggro is such that when they are hitting you and one of your minions comes into range they will switch from you to the minion (assuming the aggro isnt from hitting an enemy champion) | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On September 02 2012 22:15 samthesaluki wrote: makes sense i guess but why would it outnumber surely if ur tanking creeps your minions get free shots on theres? You don't tank the damage of the creeps when your creeps are fighting, you do it when there are still enemy creeps but yours are all dead. Normally the creeps would walk up to the turret and die. Instead you tank the creep damage outside of the turret range, that way your creep wave will meet with the wave you're holding right at your turret. | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 02 2012 23:49 upperbound wrote: Also a lot of bad players freeze the wave wrong in that they tank the minions correctly, but then auto-attack and aoe clear the wave when their minions do get there, at which point you've basically accomplished nothing except pushing the lane slowly toward your opponent. Remember that freezing the lane is only helpful if you keep it pushing toward you, which means that you only want to kill minions at roughly the same speed that your opponent/the other, larger minion wave kills yours -- try to stop your opponent from shoving the lane into your tower right away, forcing you to tank an even larger minion wave for a longer period of time, but don't just go on an auto attack spree now that you see a meaty wave in front of you. I was always under the impression that if there is something like a 11-6 advantage for enemy creeps that you wanted to knock a few of them down instantly. So if you knock them down to say 8 or 9, the wave should still push toward you due to their superior numbers, right? That way you don't have to tank nearly as many minions than when you just tank the 7 or 8 minions that are still alive because all 11 murdered your creeps really hard. Dunno, been trying to learn how to freeze my lane+lane control in general for a bit. Just what it seems like to me. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On September 03 2012 01:24 Cloud9157 wrote: I was always under the impression that if there is something like a 11-6 advantage for enemy creeps that you wanted to knock a few of them down instantly. So if you knock them down to say 8 or 9, the wave should still push toward you due to their superior numbers, right? That way you don't have to tank nearly as many minions than when you just tank the 7 or 8 minions that are still alive because all 11 murdered your creeps really hard. Dunno, been trying to learn how to freeze my lane+lane control in general for a bit. Just what it seems like to me. Even if there are only 6 minions, you can get the other side to push if you stand a bit in front of your own minion wave which causes the enemy minion wave to focus you first forming a concave. When your own minion wave arrives, they'll arrive in a conga line and walk right into the concave you've set up and die faster since the enemy wave will focus fire better. Of course, you're exposed to harass doing this. But in an empty lane (say, the other guy just backed) it's a neat thing to sometimes do. | ||
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