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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 02 2012 06:00 GMT
#621
Figures Riot. I have little time to play and the last few times I have played been getting whooped and now I can't regains dat elo. RIOT TRUE TROLL.
Never Knows Best.
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 02 2012 06:12 GMT
#622
On September 02 2012 14:46 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 14:20 Chexx wrote:
On September 02 2012 14:10 koreasilver wrote:
It hasn't even been that long since players realized how good the defense tree is for laning in top lane and they're already trying to fuck around with it. Riot jumps the gun way too much way too fast.



I think thats okay in this case. Once you fell behind especially in the early levels. You can find yourself at a two level disadvantage and no fucking chance to come back. The enemy just stalls the wave near his tower when you try to kill creeps.
You are going to die.


Minion masteries only matter for stalling if you push so hard that there's an extra large creep wave they need to tank. Otherwise they only need to hold off 2-4 minions briefly, and then simply exercise patience. Minion masteries save them maybe 24 health off the initial stall, after which inertia handles the rest.

Focusing on minion masteries in an attempt to fix the snowball issues top lane is like worrying about the price of gas when you chose to drive a stretch Hummer to work.


I feel a lot of the snowball is just on the denying of experience. Levels are just so powerful that it's hard to come back from a one or two level down considering you lost the foothold to begin with. I'd definitely want the catch up rate to be better, it would definitely help teams that are behind in general. Top lane isn't the only lane guilty of this, it's just the little island that people never go to.

After all those nerfs on minion damage to champions we're starting to backtrack now.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 02 2012 06:13 GMT
#623
What's the code to bypass Busy? I remember there being a new one.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 02 2012 06:14 GMT
#624
doesnt matter cuz chat's down and you cant play any games except solo normal
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
September 02 2012 06:16 GMT
#625
On September 02 2012 15:14 zulu_nation8 wrote:
doesnt matter cuz chat's down and you cant play any games except solo normal

Solo normal 3v3 is my favorite game mode.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 02 2012 06:19 GMT
#626
im in one right now
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 02 2012 06:23 GMT
#627
On September 02 2012 15:13 HazMat wrote:
What's the code to bypass Busy? I remember there being a new one.

'thereisnourflevel'
All it does is get me to the main screen but I can't click on anything, I have 0RP/IP and then a box pops up and says 'an unexpected error has occurred/'
Can't do shit.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 02 2012 06:26 GMT
#628
does riot have like a "Blow up" button for pvp.net?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 02 2012 06:40 GMT
#629
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 02 2012 06:47 GMT
#630
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 02 2012 06:54 GMT
#631
On September 02 2012 15:47 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?


soul shroud is bad and WoTA will be bought from the mid/top player and is expensive for a support
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
September 02 2012 07:01 GMT
#632
On September 02 2012 14:16 Craton wrote:
Wait what? People have known defense for top lane is good for months.

I agree. Rincent has been using reduced minion damage on kayle for quite a while now.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 02 2012 07:13 GMT
#633
On September 02 2012 15:54 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 15:47 spinesheath wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?


soul shroud is bad and WoTA will be bought from the mid/top player and is expensive for a support


if you're talking about an aura item that you can buy as a support for your caster, it's definitely wota. the aura stacks with your mid's wota, which adds a ton of survivability for them. doesn't hurt you either, if you're a support that can output sustained damage (sona, soraka)
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 02 2012 07:28 GMT
#634
On September 02 2012 16:13 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 15:54 Chexx wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:47 spinesheath wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?


soul shroud is bad and WoTA will be bought from the mid/top player and is expensive for a support


if you're talking about an aura item that you can buy as a support for your caster, it's definitely wota. the aura stacks with your mid's wota, which adds a ton of survivability for them. doesn't hurt you either, if you're a support that can output sustained damage (sona, soraka)


Spellvamp definitely does not benefit Sona/Soraka. Too little damage, plus it's reduced due to multitarget.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 02 2012 07:39 GMT
#635
it benefits the mid, just like zekes does not benefit the support
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 02 2012 07:43 GMT
#636
On September 02 2012 16:28 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 16:13 gtrsrs wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:54 Chexx wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:47 spinesheath wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?


soul shroud is bad and WoTA will be bought from the mid/top player and is expensive for a support


if you're talking about an aura item that you can buy as a support for your caster, it's definitely wota. the aura stacks with your mid's wota, which adds a ton of survivability for them. doesn't hurt you either, if you're a support that can output sustained damage (sona, soraka)


Spellvamp definitely does not benefit Sona/Soraka. Too little damage, plus it's reduced due to multitarget.

How on earth does zekes lifesteal benefit sona/soraka either ;S
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 07:46:10
September 02 2012 07:44 GMT
#637
Well, at least my ranked game result finally showed up after like 2 hours.

[edit]
zz

They turned on loss forgiven after the fact (there were 0 issues in game) so only 6 elo.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 02 2012 07:57 GMT
#638
When I have an Attack Champion in toplane => Zeke
When I have an AP Champion in toplane => ??? because he will buy wota two with mid wota. We already have 2 WotA. 3rd does not make sense because the aura ist wasted.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 08:16:44
September 02 2012 08:15 GMT
#639
On September 02 2012 15:54 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 15:47 spinesheath wrote:
On September 02 2012 15:40 Chexx wrote:
I miss a caster equivalent for Zeke heralds

Like Will of the Ancients or Soul Shroud?


soul shroud is bad and WoTA will be bought from the mid/top player and is expensive for a support

WoTA costs only 400 more than zekes, if your jungler gets oracles you get your wota. If your issue is that the top/mid buy it, then even if they make a new AP aura item, the mid/top will most likely buy it.
On September 02 2012 16:57 Chexx wrote:
When I have an Attack Champion in toplane => Zeke
When I have an AP Champion in toplane => ??? because he will buy wota two with mid wota. We already have 2 WotA. 3rd does not make sense because the aura ist wasted.

Locket, shurelyas, soul shroud(if poking a lot for example), aegis, and zekes is still good because your carry does all the damage late.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 08:22:20
September 02 2012 08:20 GMT
#640
On September 02 2012 16:57 Chexx wrote:
When I have an Attack Champion in toplane => Zeke
When I have an AP Champion in toplane => ??? because he will buy wota two with mid wota. We already have 2 WotA. 3rd does not make sense because the aura ist wasted.

WotA isn't so great anymore (for the carrier) that every single AP should buy it. If you have double AP and enough gold to buy an aura item for them on the support, tell your APs to get more "selfish" items (Cap, Hourglass, DFG...) because you'll be getting WotA.

Most of the time you should be more worried about buffing your ranged AD though.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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