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On September 01 2012 12:29 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:25 BlackPaladin wrote:On September 01 2012 12:23 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh. So today at the Q&A I asked Riot about the Karma remake. Apparently they will remake her into a support. I guess the death of AP Karma is soon(tm). ....  Why would they do that. "We like champs to be fun!" *kills the fun things about them* Scumbag Riot strikes again T_T Making her more picked is always a good thing. IF they do it right.
I am *GUESSING* what is going to happen is that her mantra E is going to get a different effect instead of damage, and her Q might get an additional CC when mantra'ed. In fact, I think Karma will be a pretty good support if her mantra E causes some sort of damage return (like Thormail) and her mantra Q contain a CC (perhaps a weak knock up, or knock back).
Karma sucks as a support; this is a fact. The only reason she is being played as AP is precisely due to her mantra E's damage. Her mantra E and her lack of CC otherwise makes her effective only with AP, causing her to be a poor support of the bottom lane.
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Does the Indomitable talent reduce each tick of a Dot? My hunch is yes, but I don't know for sure.
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On September 01 2012 13:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Does the Indomitable talent reduce each tick of a Dot? My hunch is yes, but I don't know for sure.
I would think so, seems like it would
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On September 01 2012 13:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Does the Indomitable talent reduce each tick of a Dot? My hunch is yes, but I don't know for sure.
Yes it does.
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On September 01 2012 13:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Does the Indomitable talent reduce each tick of a Dot? My hunch is yes, but I don't know for sure.
It part of the reason why Olaf's old ultimate was better in many circumstances. Against champions like Swain, Singed, Cass, Malzahar etc. Olaf's ultimate could kill a lot of damage.
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On September 01 2012 13:16 De4ngus wrote:
ya its op
Considering that it is applied after resistances, it is really good in certain cases. Against level 1 Cassio Q in a typical case it will reduce the damage by about 9% for just 2 mastery points. No other mastery gonna do that.
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Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary?
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On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary?
Pro: He wears a clock.
Con: Clocks are heavy so he needs to be carried.
More seriously, he's come up from time to time and the general consensus is he's okay but not that good outside of a 4 protects 1 comp, and even then his ult can be meh in bad circumstances.
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On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary?
He's really good if you have a hyper carry for his ult.
his bombs do a fuckton of damage
laning phase can be summed up by : "U WANT LAST HIT MINION?? NO HERE BOM FUK U"
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On September 01 2012 13:34 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary? He's really good if you have a hyper carry for his ult. his bombs do a fuckton of damage laning phase can be summed up by : "U WANT LAST HIT MINION?? NO HERE BOM FUK U"
Only against melee AP I guess.
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On September 01 2012 13:35 Sufficiency wrote:
lol I misread. That post got removed before your reply here.
I tried to edit to hide your shame, but now you have immortalized it for all to see.
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On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary?
Pros:
- Imba long range harass
- He hurts
- Triple-Vayne OP (as proved in IEM Gamescom)
- Good utility
- Passive is awesome
Cons:
- Very mana intensive without Blue Buff
- Only one damaging skill (even with Rewind) means his damage falls off late game so your AD/Bruiser better be farmed
- No CC
- Yorick does the same thing and is OP top lane if you're willing to break gentleman's ban
- Too many other OP/faceroll champs mid lane you'd generally rather have who are also good (Anivia, Gragas, Nyaahri, Ori, etc.)
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On September 01 2012 13:36 Seuss wrote:
I tried to edit to hide your shame, but now you have immortalized it for all to see.
Maybe you should remove the one above as well :3
On September 01 2012 13:36 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary? Pros: - Imba long range harass
- He hurts
- Triple-Vayne OP (as proved in IEM Gamescom)
- Good utility
- Passive is awesome
Cons: - Very mana intensive without Blue Buff
- Only one damaging skill (even with Rewind) means his damage falls off late game so your AD/Bruiser better be farmed
- Hard to cs under tower
- No CC
- Yorick does the same thing and is OP top lane
Zilean has an extremely strong early-mid game and a weak late game. As scarra described Zilean (scarra is a fairly good Zilean player imo), in mid game objective fight you will always win with Zilean, because in mid game it is impossible for the opposing team to blow up one of your team member's health bar twice. His damage does fall off quite a bit in late game...
Zilean's powercurve strongly resembles Gragas... however Gragas's ultimate displaces people...
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zilean is really good as a mid supporting a really offensive bruiser with a tanky jungler IMO.
he's also very strong in cheesy 2v1 lanes because if you think you're getting near creeps at level 1 with a zilean + 1 on the other team... well then fuck you here's 2 bombs go eat shit and die
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He is a niche champion that has his uses, but not a champion you can pick with anything into anything. I like playing him, I wish they lowered his bombs mana costs, but at the same time laning against him is really really annoying, so I don't really want to see him played more.
Apart from resurrecting the Vayne, his best friend is Jax imo. His 55% speed boost that can have 100% uptime is kind of silly too.
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Playing a bruiser against zilean, mid or late game, is pretty difficult. A slow that strong = you take a lot of free damage just trying to move.
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On September 01 2012 13:36 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary? Pros: - Imba long range harass
- He hurts
- Triple-Vayne OP (as proved in IEM Gamescom)
- Good utility
- Passive is awesome
Cons: - Very mana intensive without Blue Buff
- Only one damaging skill (even with Rewind) means his damage falls off late game so your AD/Bruiser better be farmed
- No CC
- Yorick does the same thing and is OP top lane if you're willing to break gentleman's ban
- Too many other OP/faceroll champs mid lane you'd generally rather have who are also good (Anivia, Gragas, Nyaahri, Ori, etc.)
Now, I know it isn't what it says, but I tired read this as Trinity Vayne. Makes me question, has Trinity Vayne ever been a thing? lvl5 Tumble matches up perfectly with the Sheen proc. Is the 25% AS difference from PD damning enough?
Again, I'm pretty herp derp tired atm.
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On September 01 2012 14:22 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 13:36 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On September 01 2012 13:32 SoulSever wrote:
Have pros and cons of zilean been discussed in a previous GD? If so could some give a brief summary? Pros: - Imba long range harass
- He hurts
- Triple-Vayne OP (as proved in IEM Gamescom)
- Good utility
- Passive is awesome
Cons: - Very mana intensive without Blue Buff
- Only one damaging skill (even with Rewind) means his damage falls off late game so your AD/Bruiser better be farmed
- No CC
- Yorick does the same thing and is OP top lane if you're willing to break gentleman's ban
- Too many other OP/faceroll champs mid lane you'd generally rather have who are also good (Anivia, Gragas, Nyaahri, Ori, etc.)
Now, I know it isn't what it says, but I tired read this as Trinity Vayne. Makes me question, has Trinity Vayne ever been a thing? lvl5 Tumble matches up perfectly with the Sheen proc. Is the 25% AS difference from PD damning enough? Again, I'm pretty herp derp tired atm.
Trinity was like one of those recommended items or something from her champion spotlight if I remember correctly. Of course, it just hasn't been found to be most optimal for her since she needs good sustained or pure damage to nuke people down.
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