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On August 17 2012 01:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 01:30 Perplex wrote:
So rengar can destroy people at level 1 like tigerdyr. He's gonna be crazy in the top lane If you're talking about that Reddit vid, that was with all AD runes and a DBlade start. It's a bit cheese-y, and you have to let the Golems smack you around and miss farm. Not really the same as sitting in bush with Tiger proc up. But I'll agree he looks insane. Any manaless champ with sustain, tankiness, damage, and ranged harass is dumb.
Purple-side you could stack it by helping your jungler start red. Still a cheese, but not so dangerous a cheese.
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On August 17 2012 01:33 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 01:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Are there enough pro LoL players that are REALLY good enough to justify making fantasy teams? I will admit to not having enough knowledge of the pro scene, but aren't there about 30~ great players? I feel like everyone would have the same team... or at least enough people would that it would get silly.
Who knows though... I could definitely be wrong (and I expected to be corrected on my perception of the scene immediately).
Edit: I also don't know much about making fantasy teams. Another way to do it (fantasy proleague style) each player has a "cost" based on how good they are (or perceived to be) and your team can't exceed a certain cost. So if you want Froggen mid you'd have to take some non-top tier top or jungle or w/e to stay within your cost limit At least that's how it worked in fantasy BW, which I played a bit when it was around
Well, the way I was thinking was that each person would draft between 7-10 players (either for a full 2nd roster, or so that you could take an extra player in a role you value more). Then the draft would be through IRC or TS or something. So if you want Froggen, you might have to forgo Captain Jack in the picking order. It falls more upon which roles/players you find most value in. Idk, I think it'd be interesting.
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What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC.
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On August 17 2012 01:44 Imbu wrote:
What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC.
When a blitz has hooked it'll be on cooldown for a while. Try and trade in this window.
Other than that, there are some times when trading will favour, even if you/your ad carry gets hooked. Exhaust their carry and you might be able to kill blitz/their ad. Oh and hide behind creeps, not in your brush.
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On August 17 2012 01:44 Imbu wrote:
What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC.
Ban him.
Seriously though, I think the idea is to make sure either something's in between you and grab and that you're between your carry and grab, and be a support that's dangerous enough such that if they grab you, you destroy them. I think the other way to deal with Blitz is to see him miss a hook then engage like crazy because that CD is long-ish (compared to Alistar or Leona CC, for example).
EDIT: Shen'd again.
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On August 17 2012 01:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 01:44 Imbu wrote:
What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC. Ban him. Seriously though, I think the idea is to make sure either something's in between you and grab and that you're between your carry and grab, and be a support that's dangerous enough such that if they grab you, you destroy them. I think the other way to deal with Blitz is to see him miss a hook then engage like crazy because that CD is long-ish (compared to Alistar or Leona CC, for example). EDIT: Shen'd again.
Well, you can also win the vs. blitzcrank lane by harassing (non-melee supports) whenever grab is on cooldown, and keep bush warded, so you don't have invisible hands (much harder to keep minion/yourself body-blocking when you don't know exactly where blitz is standing.) Blitz has neither heals nor innate tankiness (mana barrier isn't going to help vs poke/harass) nor long-ranged poke.
Also, as support, get an early ruby crystal before finishing philo stone. If you DO get grabbed, maybe you'll be able to turn it against them. If your ADC gets grabbed you're probably fucked though. vs. Blitzcrank the lane isn't about sustain, unless you get grabbed and somehow survive anyway. Thus, you can delay the regen from philo in favor of a ruby crystal (whether you prefer buidling it into a HOG or use it as part of aegis/kindlegem is up to you.)
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Also having bush control against Blitz is pretty important. It is much easier to dictate how things go if you know exactly where he is at all times.
Edit: I got ninjaed too. 
Actually, I think he editted that in after the fact. 
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On August 17 2012 01:44 Imbu wrote:
What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC.
Low-ELO advice but maybe it helps you anyways:
As the previous posters said, play ultra aggressive whenever Blitz misses a hook. It has a cooldown of 20->16 seconds, in that time he is basically completely useless and the lane is almost 2v1, so you can do a ton of damage.
If you are confident in your reaction time you can bait hooks, if not, better keep the creeps between him and you. I find it a lot easier to dodge grabs if i have a ward in the bush that blitz is hiding in but i have very slow reactions so you might be fine without it.
A way of playing against Blitzcrank that i observed lots of times is also to play very aggressive and pushing the lane to their tower, which of course requires good warding on your part since it opens you for a gank.
This strategy achieves three things:
1. Blitz can't hide in a bush, which makes his grabs more predictable and easier to dodge.
2. Your creeps tend to spread out near the tower, providing a good wall against grabs. Just remember to back off before the creep wall opens for a grab.
3. The opponent might lose CS to the tower.
Unless he lands a grab, Blitz is almost completely useless when pushed under tower. He provides no sustain, no steroids for the AD nor does he have other ranged harass than his grab, he just sits there, takes shots and grabs your minions into the tower.
As an easier option, get an Alistar support. Whenever either of you gets grabbed, Alistar can just WQ-combo which usually turns the trade in your favour.
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I did mention bush control, I edited to clarify what I meant by it. You don't want to STAND in the brush against blitz, but you need it warded.
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Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\
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On August 17 2012 01:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 01:30 Perplex wrote:
So rengar can destroy people at level 1 like tigerdyr. He's gonna be crazy in the top lane If you're talking about that Reddit vid, that was with all AD runes and a DBlade start. It's a bit cheese-y, and you have to let the Golems smack you around and miss farm. Not really the same as sitting in bush with Tiger proc up. But I'll agree he looks insane. Any manaless champ with sustain, tankiness, damage, and ranged harass is dumb.
Yeah I know, but I don't think it's necessary to run the full cheese setup. I would probably go AD reds + quints and boots 3 and then just chunk them really hard at 1 instead of killing them. That's more than enough to give you a big advantage early on without having to sacrifice 3 pots or Mr/armor runes.
I probably should have clarified that when I said "destroy people", I didn't necessarily mean "get firstblood" every time.
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On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\
Alistar is #1 support counter to Blitz, WQ > Grab.
#2 Janna due to Movementspeed bonus making dodge easier as well as the shield and tornado allowing the AD to escape from a grab.
#3 probably Taric, he gets grabbed, E on AD, W(R) against blitz or the AD carry and you two can bash away on him which should open up a trade in your favour, especially since his Armor Aura negates some of the Burst damage.
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On August 17 2012 02:11 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Alistar is #1 support counter to Blitz, WQ > Grab. #2 Janna due to Movementspeed bonus making dodge easier as well as the shield and tornado allowing the AD to escape from a grab. #3 probably Taric, he gets grabbed, E on AD, W(R) against blitz or the AD carry and you two can bash away on him which should open up a trade in your favour, especially since his Armor Aura negates some of the Burst damage.
Leona is good too, sivir is good if you got fast reflexes, bait grab get mana harass them.
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taric + graves >>> any blitzcrank lane
blitz actually just does no damage, and you've got dragged into stun range onto their ad carry.
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Blitz powerfist does a lot of damage.
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On August 17 2012 01:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 01:30 Perplex wrote:
So rengar can destroy people at level 1 like tigerdyr. He's gonna be crazy in the top lane If you're talking about that Reddit vid, that was with all AD runes and a DBlade start. It's a bit cheese-y, and you have to let the Golems smack you around and miss farm. Not really the same as sitting in bush with Tiger proc up. But I'll agree he looks insane. Any manaless champ with sustain, tankiness, damage, and ranged harass is dumb.
Well if he does that, Rengar can hit you for 60 + 4.7 * AD damage at level 1 instantly (auto+q+better q) and has a 90% attack speed steroid afterwards for 3 seconds with a gap closer from a brush in the form of his passive.
Plus you might as well just get your passive charges from minions Q cd is 6 seconds.
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On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\
Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity.
The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD.
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On August 17 2012 02:15 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity. The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD.
It's a good thing that in low elo only 1 out of 20 hooks hit though.
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On August 17 2012 02:19 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:15 Seuss wrote:On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity. The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD. It's a good thing that in low elo only 1 out of 20 hooks hit though.
2 days ago i had a 1150 ELO blitz as my support that hit 75% of the grabs. Enemy Ashe went 0/12 and the whole team raged at that poor guy. Well, then again i had 10 Blitzcranks before him that missed 95% of the grabs :p
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On August 17 2012 02:22 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:19 JackDino wrote:On August 17 2012 02:15 Seuss wrote:On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity. The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD. It's a good thing that in low elo only 1 out of 20 hooks hit though. 2 days ago i had a 1150 ELO blitz as my support that hit 75% of the grabs. Enemy Ashe went 0/12 and the whole team raged at that poor guy. Well, then again i had 10 Blitzcranks before him that missed 95% of the grabs :p
There has to be some sort of Low ELO Law of Unlikely Competence where you become more and more likely to find an effective player in a lane after getting a string of terrible ones.
Along with a Unfortunate Circumstance Postulate stating that the good person will be on the other team.
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