EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 25
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
A lot of the splash are they're re-doing aren't really necessary, at least not until they revamp artstyle/graphics engine, and character models as well | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Atma's is still a good item. It's just not the be all end all of tanky dps items like it was before. The funny thing is a lot of "pros" like to say how it's such a shitty item and somehow it's "not cost efficient." lol It's like they don't understand basic math or simply never did it, and just say it because other "pros" say it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
before: atma's was super cost efficient, AND slot worthy. after nerf: atma's now just only cost efficient, and not really slot worthy. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
40 AD for 3k health + a chainvest (there are more efficient and better sources of armor) + ... crit? Not many warmog/mallet-buyers care much about crit, so we're looking at something that's basically competing with BFsword + Chainvest. Most bruisers don't really care about an item that's mostly offensive focused that late in the game, they probably already have an offensive core and want to tank out appropriately. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm pretty sure that ~1800 hp (might be slightly higher since the nerf?) already makes Atma's cost efficient. You can get it pretty early for it to be effective, especially because you're going to be beefier on those champs anyway. 2k HP is 30 AD, which BARELY edges it out over a pickaxe, then you have to consider that high-end armor items are much more cost-efficient than a chainmail, and most people who would look at atmas don't benefit incredibly from the crit, which devalues that by a nebulous amount. | ||
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fasdaf
138 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:31 BlackPaladin wrote: The funny thing is a lot of "pros" like to say how it's such a shitty item and somehow it's "not cost efficient." lol It's like they don't understand basic math or simply never did it, and just say it because other "pros" say it. It's still cost efficient, but not nearly as much as before, especially considering how much of that cost is tied up into crit chance, which is not particularly valued on most bruisers. People don't actually pay much attention to actual cost efficiency (as opposed to perceived cost efficiency). Just look at how often people upgrade Hexdrinker to Maw fairly quickly. You're paying 1900 for just +30 AD, +6 MR, +150 on the shield, and the unique +AD passive. Unless you're at low health, it's not even cost effective. Edit: Another problem with Atma's is that HP itemization is rather poor when compared to armor itemization. Randuin's Omen and Frozen Heart and Thornmail are ridiculously good against ranged carries, while nothing comes close for HP items. Before the Atma's nerf, it gave enough stats to make rushing Phage->Atma's viable; I recall Wickd used to do this on Irelia. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
 New one isn't bad, but it's too much "ragey" for my taste, and also they didn't manage to avoid repeating the same strange thing with her hips. x) | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 17 2012 04:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm pretty sure that ~1800 hp (might be slightly higher since the nerf?) already makes Atma's cost efficient. You can get it pretty early for it to be effective, especially because you're going to be beefier on those champs anyway. You are talking about a 2300 gold item here. To consider such an item "cost efficient", it has to be about as efficient as items like Wit's End. So you have to get quite a bit more AD than just the combine cost times BFS' AD per gold ratio to make it a good buy. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Most items are not horribly inefficient, the problem arises when the stats they give you don't work for you as much as other choices. Re: Nashor's Tooth. | ||
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ninjakingcola
United States405 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 17 2012 05:09 ninjakingcola wrote: Atmogs is like Viktor, people don't use it much because the "pros" bashed on em too much. No, it's not like that at all. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2482490 I don't always call shit OP just by seeing their kits, but when I do, it's this bitch. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 17 2012 05:47 Requizen wrote: Official Syndra announcement: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2482490 I don't always call shit OP just by seeing their kits, but when I do, it's this bitch. I don't see how she can be OP unless her ratios are totally absurd. She can probably lane OK, but I bet she is a poor roamer due to one CC that is an AOE that only slows (W) and her R requires a set up. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Passive: Garen brush camping Q: Tiger stance W: Garen W+healing instead of a shield from udyrs w + aoe damage E: standard gap closer R: Movement speed increase (but stealth and reveal) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2012 05:52 Sufficiency wrote: I don't see how she can be OP unless her ratios are totally absurd. She can probably lane OK, but I bet she is a poor roamer due to one CC that is an AOE that only slows (W) and her R requires a set up. Her roaming may be underwhelming as she needs time for setup with the orbs, but her zone control looks insane, and the ability to throw minions is not only a great harassment tool, but also allows you to manipulate lane flow without necessarily pushing. If she gets any time at all to set up orbs, shooting them like a shotgun and then throwing another one for a knock-up (max rank W) is pretty impressive AoE CC. Spheres stick around for 8 seconds and the CD is 3 at max, before CDR. Max CDR puts it around a 2 second CD? 4-5 orbs flying out in a cone if you time it right is not a bad shot. | ||
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