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On August 17 2012 01:44 Imbu wrote:
What's a good way to deal with playing against a Blitzcrank as the support? I find myself constantly playing super passive to try and avoid the grabs, but then end up unable to provide enough pressure onto their ADC.
It highly depends on what support you are playing. If you find yourself in a situation where you didn't go with a common counter like taric, ali or leona, i highly recommend flat hp quints and a somewhat defensive spec (you can go deep defensive, if you feel the urge). Try and make your ad carry push the lane abit so blitzcrank cannot zone you through the brushes and force him to make risky hooks (where he will of course miss, because you're baiting him to do so).
If you however play taric, ali or leona, just make sure you're never in a position where your ad carry cannot back you up, should you be grabbed. If he tries to merely run up and E you or the ad carry, pull out some cc or kite him around creeps so he cannot pull you back.
Early on in the lane you should try and use the minions as a shield and not camp the brushes like you would usually do.
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On August 17 2012 02:22 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:19 JackDino wrote:On August 17 2012 02:15 Seuss wrote:On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity. The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD. It's a good thing that in low elo only 1 out of 20 hooks hit though. 2 days ago i had a 1150 ELO blitz as my support that hit 75% of the grabs. Enemy Ashe went 0/12 and the whole team raged at that poor guy. Well, then again i had 10 Blitzcranks before him that missed 95% of the grabs :p
Blitz/Ashe do not synergize well at all. Even if Blitz lands a hook, there's no gurantee they win the trade, or even come close to it pre-6.
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On August 17 2012 02:37 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 02:22 Morfildur wrote:On August 17 2012 02:19 JackDino wrote:On August 17 2012 02:15 Seuss wrote:On August 17 2012 02:07 Requizen wrote:
Curious now, who would be a good pick vs Blitz support? Probably not Taric (running up to harass is just asking to get uppercutted), though he can probably stun to cancel out a grab. I'd imagine Janna, but I don't really know :\ Taric is actually one of the best picks against Blitz. Pretty much every other support who isn't Leona is dead if they get hooked unless Flash is up (and even then). Taric's built-in armor makes it hard to kill him with a single hook, and if his AD is attentive he can turn a hook into an opportunity by stunning/shattering the enemy AD. Worst case he can usually stun the AD and walk away, bruised but not beaten. The recent rise in Taric's popularity is very closely related to the rise in Blitz' popularity. The problem with Taric is mostly that in low Elo most ADs assume hook = dead, or get themselves hooked after Taric stuns the enemy AD. It's a good thing that in low elo only 1 out of 20 hooks hit though. 2 days ago i had a 1150 ELO blitz as my support that hit 75% of the grabs. Enemy Ashe went 0/12 and the whole team raged at that poor guy. Well, then again i had 10 Blitzcranks before him that missed 95% of the grabs :p Blitz/Ashe do not synergize well at all. Even if Blitz lands a hook, there's no gurantee they win the trade, or even come close to it pre-6.
Well they were on opposing teams so not too relevant in this situation 
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Oops, I read that wrong. My mistake. :x
Edit: I probably just have this latent rage at people picking Blitzcrank as my support when I go Ashe, and then they wonder why I can't burst anyone down after a grab at level 3. -_-
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Just curios about one thing,can your rift walk out of a blitz hook the same way you can flash it with ezreals thingy?
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yes but you will be stunned just like ezreal
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I feel like garen was in a large way nerfed.
E does less damage early game, and does less damage lategame if you have more than 90 bonus ad (BT or dorans/bruta/hexdrinker/phage type items)
R is worse early game, and lategame the cooldown isn't really an issue. Teamfights don't happen all that often.
W is worse early game, and slightly better lategame but you have to stack resists now to make it worth it.
Q is worse early game and the slight damage boost probably not worth the way you can't animation cancel Q for faster auto after Q.
Big nerf to base stats
The only buffs garen really got:
-"Tank" garen but thats really bad anyway
-W cc reduction but not sure how important this is
-W duration increase.
-Passive tanking creeps is nice because random creep targettnig screwed you.
Pathetic way to "buff" him IMO.
Before BT/GA or BT/Warmogs garen into LW was actually really good and the strong early game combined with good ratios made him pretty decent if he could pick someone off, if he can't, well old garen has the exact same issues and the buff only added slight CC reduction but I doubt that'll help enough. Garen relied on good lanning phase and now how is he supposed to lane against strong armour stacking top laners who already borderline beat him?
Although I didn't play him in ranked I was pretty sucessful with garen to the point that a small buff to make him popular might have been teh push needed to make people play him.
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I really hate what they did to Kats weapons. Why change the long knives into giant cardboard blades.
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On August 17 2012 03:23 Gorsameth wrote:
I really hate what they did to Kats weapons. Why change the long knives into giant cardboard blades.
Cause it's change, and new stuff is AMAZING AM I RIGHT!?
I really hate her new model soooo much. T_T
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On August 17 2012 03:27 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2012 03:23 Gorsameth wrote:
I really hate what they did to Kats weapons. Why change the long knives into giant cardboard blades. Cause it's change, and new stuff is AMAZING AM I RIGHT!? I really hate her new model soooo much. T_T
Overal i dont mind the new model but those knives  why change them
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Check out the math in the Garen thread, his E is buffed, BEP is 121.85 AD and he scale so much better with crit now. MS on level 1 Q is buffed to 35% MS that he covers the similar amount of distance even with the duration nerf.
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Her blades look like they're made out of fucking plastic D; I'm 100% okay with every bit of her model so far except for those retarded knives.
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Level 18 garen
115.5 AD = 127.05 bonus dmg on e
120 base damage = 247.05 dmg +1.1 scaling
old garen
level 9 = 210 damage +1.4 scaling
so at 0.3 difference in scaling you need 124 bonus AD to do more damage at level 18.
Garen with BT and 2 dorans full stacked with no other items and coutning runes and masteries is looking 130-140 bonus AD. Add in LW/hexdrinker and you're doing less damage lategame
Combine that with SEVERELY nerfed damage from 1-18. (can't cancel animation after Q, E nerfed from 1-9.) and the lower silence duration on Q giving more reaction time I have a hard time believing garen is buffed..
Yes crit is much better but if you build crit you're sacrificing either AD or tank stats.
Also are you sure he scales better with crit? Before the base damage scaled with crit, right? Now the base damage is even lower. When I was testing it I was doing 40% more damage per crit before I got IE. Pretty weak.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
haha new MF art is adorable :D
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I like the teasure map dotted line leading into her cleavage.
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I like MF's guns a lot better
the big large ones are... ugly
BTW... there's batman looming over MF
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The base damage on Garen's Judgment has never been able to crit.
Crit itemization is pretty poor though, with Ghostblade being the only choice that could work, though Atma's would be great if it hadn't been nerfed.
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