EPTOf course, that is at the moment more of a lategame plan, you still need to have good laning. Ganks in a leona lane should have a very high percentage of success, which is always a plus. But you need that sustain from somewhere, or you need to trade very onesided, which might actually work with Leona.
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Simberto
Germany12066 Posts
Of course, that is at the moment more of a lategame plan, you still need to have good laning. Ganks in a leona lane should have a very high percentage of success, which is always a plus. But you need that sustain from somewhere, or you need to trade very onesided, which might actually work with Leona. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:21 Requizen wrote: I think the issue there is that she has no escape other than stun'n'run, and that her only ranged harass either a) pulls her towards the enemy or b) is her ult. Although, Zenith -> Stun -> walk away harass sounds pretty decent, and good tankiness means that she should be able to stay up there a long time. Lack of sustain would be a problem. The issue with Leona top is that she does 0 damage without a teammate whether or not she has items. I remember people trying to solo her top at release and they'd just get bullied out of lane eventually regardless of how well they did early because so much of her power is in her passive. She doesn't scale well either so the extra farm is utterly pointless. Like, it didn't matter at all what the enemy champion was, they all bullied her out and took turret. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:31 Requizen wrote: AS and/or CDR sound pretty good on her. With all the AoE damage, you could do something lulzy like get Ionic and be a pushing monstrosity that can't die. What other good AS items are there? MBR is probably too silly/expensive, though she might be a candidate for running hybrid runes and taking advantage of it. Wit's is always bloody amazing because, well, Wit's. Guinsoo's might be really good, Malady is probably not, Nashor's actually would be decent for her. You could also be an aura slut and go Zeke's. Edit: CDR tanky TF build? TF + Shurelya/Zeke/FH/Athene/Soul Shroud (lol). Her base damage is kind of middling to low, though. But a tanky support top lane is interesting. When I play Top Leona it's usually Merc Treads > Glacial > Abyssal > FH > Randuins etc | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:41 phyvo wrote: The issue with Leona top is that she does 0 damage without a teammate whether or not she has items. I remember people trying to solo her top at release and they'd just get bullied out of lane eventually regardless of how well they did early because so much of her power is in her passive. She doesn't scale well either so the extra farm is utterly pointless. Like, it didn't matter at all what the enemy champion was, they all bullied her out and took turret. It's called having jungler camping top | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Somehow I feel that if your gameplan *plans* on having jungler camp top it's not going to be the most solid of plans.. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
The difference is that without Leona you can decide whether or not to camp top. With Leona if you don't camp top she dies. Is she worth giving up the flexibility? Is that worth putting the farm on a champ with more or less the worst gold scaling in the game? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:12 JackDino wrote: Leona with a triforce does like no damage, you could build 5 BTs on her and do less damage than like a pantheon with 2(or any other champ for that matter). She just doesn't deal damage. this is actually pretty wrong, leona with triforce hits like a truck well, maybe more like a medium-sized sedan | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:18 Tooplark wrote: this is actually pretty wrong, leona with triforce hits like a truck well, maybe more like a medium-sized sedan Triforce first is one of the builds I tried on release, no amount of items are going to change the fact she's a plastic sword wielding girl. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:07 phyvo wrote: The difference is that without Leona you can decide whether or not to camp top. With Leona if you don't camp top she dies. Is she worth giving up the flexibility? Is that worth putting the farm on a champ with more or less the worst gold scaling in the game? camp top with a jax/riven/rumble/olaf, congratulations he can now dunk them repeatedly without your help, camp top with a Leona, still going to be a close lane, the cost benefit on solo laning Leona is so incredibly low I don't know what to say, unless you say it's "for fun" then why are we theory crafting it just do it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:22 TheYango wrote: None of you have ever played against Milo's top Leona, have you? I've seen it in inhouses and it stomps. Not sure how it'd do in a scrim though. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:14 Requizen wrote: Also, I have a quick question. What is keeping Sion from being viable? Ranged stun/harass, "free" health, good steroid, defensive/offensive shield, and decent base stats. Mostly asking because I'm looking at more underplayed and possibly viable champions after experiencing the Yeti  There are a couple others too, like bruiser top Taric and Leona, but I just never really understood what Sion's big pitfall is aside from lack of mobility and gap closer.kind of ironically since you mentioned both sion and yeti, i feel like sion is one of the safest lanes to pick against nunu. you can farm with relative ease thanks to your mega AD, shield has a low enough manacost/cooldown to defend against snowballs, and once you hit 6 you can basically pop your ult any time you want to full heal any damage you've taken. save stun for a gank or nunu's ult, never go on the offensive, farm up and be a fuckin BEAST. it's one of the most frustrating lanes i've dealt with from the nunu side, and i was a much, MUCH better player than the sion. just couldn't make anything happen offensively against the zombeh | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:32 Requizen wrote: Wouldn't the upside be that she could get super tanky super fast, and then do her team fight job (be aura slut in melee that disrupts) better, with less chance of dying from having no items? Yes, you end up being a glorified Leona support bot, but you'll also have double the items worth or more. Like Singed top, but less damage and more disruption? Pretty much this, though after the first 2 aura items, additional ones start to only have tangential utility. You have to plan around ceding farm to a better-scaling jungler before you get to that point. By the end of the game you essentially transition into the jungler having laner farm, and Leona having jungler-level farm. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:32 gtrsrs wrote: kind of ironically since you mentioned both sion and yeti, i feel like sion is one of the safest lanes to pick against nunu. you can farm with relative ease thanks to your mega AD, shield has a low enough manacost/cooldown to defend against snowballs, and once you hit 6 you can basically pop your ult any time you want to full heal any damage you've taken. save stun for a gank or nunu's ult, never go on the offensive, farm up and be a fuckin BEAST. it's one of the most frustrating lanes i've dealt with from the nunu side, and i was a much, MUCH better player than the sion. just couldn't make anything happen offensively against the zombeh I only faced Sion once as Nunu, but I had a feeling that he was just a bad player or didn't know how to fight Nunu. If he ever tried to harass me with Stun, I just ulted, Snowball + Yeti fists to pop shields (since he was AD, they weren't that big), and he couldn't nearly stop my consume. If he ever popped his ult, I'd just run or Ignite if it was up. Wasn't too hard for me, but I got the feeling he was pretty bad as well. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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