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[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 170

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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 28 2012 08:28 GMT
#3381
On August 28 2012 14:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Oh man. When will this patch come?!?!?! I can't wait until Diana is nerfed so people won't perm-ban her and I can actually start learning her properly. I want to play her well, but currently there seems to be no need because I can just be as reckless as I like, dive into everything, then kill everything.

Also I really hate that new Dark Valk Diana. I was planning to buy that skin, but I think I will just stick with the original now. It looks WAY too creepy.

What do you mean creepy?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 28 2012 08:30 GMT
#3382
Omg guys, I jungle Skarner on blue side everything is good, start red buff go blue then gank top
and get counterganked by enemy jungler who is higher HP because purple side is imbalanced and I feed double buff to enemy top lane and we lose. I am bad.
On a scale 1-10 how bad should I feel?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 28 2012 08:33 GMT
#3383
You should feel 10 bad for posting in the wrong thread.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 28 2012 08:40 GMT
#3384
You should always feel 10, scip
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 28 2012 09:09 GMT
#3385
What's the deal with the store maintenance? I thought they did that already?
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
August 28 2012 09:14 GMT
#3386
works fine for me try restart client
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 09:46:46
August 28 2012 09:43 GMT
#3387
Wrong thread
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 28 2012 11:33 GMT
#3388
On August 28 2012 14:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Pool Party Ziggs

[image loading]

Who is that on the lower left? Jayce? I managed to identify everyone except him.

I think it's Garen. I don't know of any any other Demacians(see the gys necklace for the Demacian symbol) that have brown hair.
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
August 28 2012 11:47 GMT
#3389
On August 28 2012 12:21 D u o wrote:
How do you deal with heavy counter jungling? I just played 5 games in a row as jungle naut and lost because so many nunu/ls/shaco counter jungle. I'm not sure how to be less of a burden if they invade and steal buffs how do I recover?


Another thing you can do if you expect invasion is start red: Ask for smiteless at red and do your jungle normally. I think this is the best option if your jungle opponent can outpace you. For example Naut vs Olaf, Naut starts blue>normal route, Olafred>blue>invasion.

Even if you get a smiteless blue, Olaf will meet you at your red with double buffs and you will die. Of course this means you are assuming you know their starting point, the early ward at your wraiths is also really strong at preventing invasion.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11776 Posts
August 28 2012 12:19 GMT
#3390
On August 28 2012 16:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
was spectating fallenbandit's rengar, he somehow won lane, then late game with about 7-8 stacks and BT/PD, he just ults, finds the AD carry when enemy team is grouping, one shots him and make it a 5v4 before team fight starts. Looked OP as hell.


Why would you get a PD on him with your 6AD scaling combo? I'd think that for oneshotting carries, You want as many AD items as you need to do that, and then go tanky with the rest of your money/slots. I don't see any benefit from getting a PD over a lot of other items that give either AD or tankiness.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 28 2012 12:22 GMT
#3391
On August 28 2012 21:19 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 16:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
was spectating fallenbandit's rengar, he somehow won lane, then late game with about 7-8 stacks and BT/PD, he just ults, finds the AD carry when enemy team is grouping, one shots him and make it a 5v4 before team fight starts. Looked OP as hell.


Why would you get a PD on him with your 6AD scaling combo? I'd think that for oneshotting carries, You want as many AD items as you need to do that, and then go tanky with the rest of your money/slots. I don't see any benefit from getting a PD over a lot of other items that give either AD or tankiness.

If you have a lot of AD, having crit becomes really good. I'd get ghostblade instead of pdancers though, you know for killing squishies.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 28 2012 12:53 GMT
#3392
How can it be possible for someone on my friend list to show up in a featured game, but is not showing up on my friendlist but is still in my offline section.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 28 2012 12:56 GMT
#3393
On August 28 2012 21:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
How can it be possible for someone on my friend list to show up in a featured game, but is not showing up on my friendlist but is still in my offline section.

I've had my friendlist lag reality by several minutes in the past. Also bikini kat is pretty hot
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11776 Posts
August 28 2012 13:12 GMT
#3394
I doubt you'd want a full AD carry build on a melee, so i think a good build on rengar should focus on blowing a squishy up in one combo, and then being as tanky as possible so you can actually survive a bit afterwards, and still do stuff. At least that is where i think the strengths of that champion lie. Attackspeed or crit don't really help a lot with that (or can his q crit?), especially since you already got 2 AA resets in your combo anyways.

Lets say you are trying to kill a 2000 hp guy with 50 armor, which sounds like about what an AD carry has at level 18. To kill him, you need to do 3000 physical damage. Rengars full combo of empQ, empQ, Q W, E which we talked about some pages back does 630+255m+6AD+0.7 bonusAD. Lets say you also do 2 AAs, and the guy has as much MR as as he Armor, making it a total of 885+8AD+0.7bonusAD. To do 3000eHP damage, you would need about 250 total AD. If he has 4000eHP, you would need 370. All squishies should be somewhere in between those, probably closer to the 3000.

Of course, this is mostly me theorycrafting, but i don't see why you would want crit / AS, since if you sacrifice AD for it, you can no longer instantly kill their carries, and if you sacrifice survival, you probably won't live long enough afterwards to profit from that AS/crit in any way.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
August 28 2012 14:05 GMT
#3395
On August 28 2012 22:12 Simberto wrote:
I doubt you'd want a full AD carry build on a melee, so i think a good build on rengar should focus on blowing a squishy up in one combo, and then being as tanky as possible so you can actually survive a bit afterwards, and still do stuff. At least that is where i think the strengths of that champion lie. Attackspeed or crit don't really help a lot with that (or can his q crit?), especially since you already got 2 AA resets in your combo anyways.

Lets say you are trying to kill a 2000 hp guy with 50 armor, which sounds like about what an AD carry has at level 18. To kill him, you need to do 3000 physical damage. Rengars full combo of empQ, empQ, Q W, E which we talked about some pages back does 630+255m+6AD+0.7 bonusAD. Lets say you also do 2 AAs, and the guy has as much MR as as he Armor, making it a total of 885+8AD+0.7bonusAD. To do 3000eHP damage, you would need about 250 total AD. If he has 4000eHP, you would need 370. All squishies should be somewhere in between those, probably closer to the 3000.

Of course, this is mostly me theorycrafting, but i don't see why you would want crit / AS, since if you sacrifice AD for it, you can no longer instantly kill their carries, and if you sacrifice survival, you probably won't live long enough afterwards to profit from that AS/crit in any way.


It's really common to have a aegis on team when the first people hit 18, as well as ad carrys allready starting their GA. Taking 50 armor as base feels like underestimating.
You also use 2 empowered q's in your rotation; I'm assuming you're thinking off starting off with emp q then ulting to get another empowered q. However when the ad is properly positioned you'll need your ult to close the distance initially; therefor giving your rotation one less empowered Q.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 28 2012 14:07 GMT
#3396
On August 28 2012 14:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Pool Party Ziggs

[image loading]

Who is that on the lower left? Jayce? I managed to identify everyone except him.


Is Leona sunbathing in the buff? How fitting...
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
August 28 2012 14:28 GMT
#3397
On August 28 2012 21:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
How can it be possible for someone on my friend list to show up in a featured game, but is not showing up on my friendlist but is still in my offline section.

Had this bug 2 days ago too (an online friend not showing up in my friends list). Removing and readding did the trick for me (I think they have to reaccept).
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 14:46:43
August 28 2012 14:45 GMT
#3398
On August 28 2012 23:05 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 22:12 Simberto wrote:
I doubt you'd want a full AD carry build on a melee, so i think a good build on rengar should focus on blowing a squishy up in one combo, and then being as tanky as possible so you can actually survive a bit afterwards, and still do stuff. At least that is where i think the strengths of that champion lie. Attackspeed or crit don't really help a lot with that (or can his q crit?), especially since you already got 2 AA resets in your combo anyways.

Lets say you are trying to kill a 2000 hp guy with 50 armor, which sounds like about what an AD carry has at level 18. To kill him, you need to do 3000 physical damage. Rengars full combo of empQ, empQ, Q W, E which we talked about some pages back does 630+255m+6AD+0.7 bonusAD. Lets say you also do 2 AAs, and the guy has as much MR as as he Armor, making it a total of 885+8AD+0.7bonusAD. To do 3000eHP damage, you would need about 250 total AD. If he has 4000eHP, you would need 370. All squishies should be somewhere in between those, probably closer to the 3000.

Of course, this is mostly me theorycrafting, but i don't see why you would want crit / AS, since if you sacrifice AD for it, you can no longer instantly kill their carries, and if you sacrifice survival, you probably won't live long enough afterwards to profit from that AS/crit in any way.


It's really common to have a aegis on team when the first people hit 18, as well as ad carrys allready starting their GA. Taking 50 armor as base feels like underestimating.
You also use 2 empowered q's in your rotation; I'm assuming you're thinking off starting off with emp q then ulting to get another empowered q. However when the ad is properly positioned you'll need your ult to close the distance initially; therefor giving your rotation one less empowered Q.


You ult, q immediately to gain the effect on next attack (your leap out of ult), then your ult generates 5 more ferocity which allows leap->emQemQQ
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 28 2012 14:48 GMT
#3399
On August 28 2012 23:28 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 21:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
How can it be possible for someone on my friend list to show up in a featured game, but is not showing up on my friendlist but is still in my offline section.

Had this bug 2 days ago too (an online friend not showing up in my friends list). Removing and readding did the trick for me (I think they have to reaccept).


i found out what happened in my case was the person got disconnected from chat while in game
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 28 2012 15:03 GMT
#3400
On August 28 2012 17:30 Scip wrote:
Omg guys, I jungle Skarner on blue side everything is good, start red buff go blue then gank top
and get counterganked by enemy jungler who is higher HP because purple side is imbalanced and I feed double buff to enemy top lane and we lose. I am bad.
On a scale 1-10 how bad should I feel?


what champion was the other jungler? Also did he see you by accident or did he see mid coming from red side and timed that shit perfectly to catch you at blue? Also how were you weaker than him with both buffs at lv3?
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